Exar Kun vs Dooku

Yes, its just from the Siths numbers. So what? I doubt the Jedi are outnumbered twenty + to one by the Sith since the Jedi are winning the war and the Sith are at the least in the double digit millions. On Corellia the Jedi turned the tide of the fighting and the Battle for Corellia took out 10% of the Empires entire military, and thats just from the Outer Rim Jedi.

Also the Sith having the advantage in numbers makes no sense even discounting that since the Empire's population is vastly smaller than the Republics and the majority of acolytes admitted to the Academy die, whereas the Jedi do not have such heavy loses and have a much larger recruiting pool to choose from.

Furthermore theres the simple fact that if the Sith do vastly outnumber the Jedi by sizable fractions and the Jedi are still winning the war... then they're obviously way way better than the PT Jedi.

At the very least they are much, much, much more that 10,000.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
There's a quote saying that the Jedi outnumber the Sith by a considerable amount. I only saw it today or yesterday, so I should be able to find it. I'll report when I have.

Awesome. 👆

Not really. It's not just the Jedi fighting the Sith after-all but the entire Republic as well. Then there is also the fact that the Sith fight amongst themselves as well which is almost always why the Sith lose.

But, if a quote does exist that the Jedi outnumber the Sith, that would confirm it and be another laughable inconsistency on Bioware's part.

Weren't we all talking about how useless ordinary people are against Force users just yesterday?

But yeah, the Jedi have the Republic as well. And the Sith have the Empire. And the Imperial Military are noted as being extremely good. They represent a 'masterpiece of military ingenuity', possess 'unmatched precision and ruthless dedication' and their equipment is 'second to none.' Their navy has won more victories than all other forces combined. Plus they have huge numbers of droids due to their 'massive industrial base.' It isn't like the Jedi + Republic are ganging up on the Sith, they have their own armies obviously.

Meanwhile the best accolade the Republic has is that they're 'one of the biggest fighting forces in history' and some info indicating that they're far superior to the military of the KOTOR era.

1 on 1, yeah. 100 on 1, no.

Never said otherwise. However, you seemed to be claiming that the Jedi were responsible for holding the Sith not the Jedi and the Republic. Simply because the Republic is matching the Sith Empire does not mean that the Jedi number are anywhere close to the numbers of Sith.

Originally posted by ares834
But, if a quote does exist that the Jedi outnumber the Sith, that would confirm it and be another laughable inconsistency on Bioware's part.

SWTOR is just crazy all together. It gives us lots of material to work with, though.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nope, it was only 3 million clones. :V

Wrong. There are millions of separatist capital ships, which likely means at least hundreds of thousands of republic capital ships. So unless each of those vessels has a crew of 10 clones that's impossible.

Furthermore the droid army is stated to have quintillions or at least quadrillions of droids. Dooku's statement that the Republic is outnumbered 100 to 1 in a T-canon source points to there being trillions of clones or at the very least trillions of soldiers underneath the Republic's command. More like millions of units of Clones.

Wait hold on there are millions of Sith Lords in the TOR era? That's ****ing retarded. You sure that's not some other number? Does anyone have a quote on that?

"Millions strive to become Sith...."

"With millions vying for only 12 seats...."

"Millions of the galaxy's most powerful Sith were considered..."

It isn't ****ing retarded, its smart. There only being 10,000 Jedi is stupidly low for an organisation of galactic proportions. Millions should be the minimum.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Wrong. There are millions of separatist capital ships, which likely means at least hundreds of thousands of republic capital ships. So unless each of those vessels has a crew of 10 clones that's impossible.

Furthermore the droid army is stated to have quintillions or at least quadrillions of droids. Dooku's statement that the Republic is outnumbered 100 to 1 in a T-canon source points to there being trillions of clones or at the very least trillions of soldiers underneath the Republic's command. More like millions of units of Clones.

Not just clones fought for the Republic. Regular troops or armies of individual planets existed.

Millions is completely inconsistent with the rest of the EU and thus retarded as all hell. Furthermore, we have no clue how rare force sensitivity is so 10000 Jedi isn't stupid. And, on a galactic level, a few million is hardly more noticeable than 10000.

No it isn't. It just serves to show how wimpy and stagnant the PT was in comparison.

A few million is much more consistent that ten thousand since you really only need one Jedi per planet to effectively police the Republic, or several Jedi for important worlds. 10,000 is ludicrously outstretched. With such small numbers theres no way the Jedi could have a significant presence in the Republic outside of the most important core worlds. Which is likely why public opinion turned against them so easily. Jedi serve as the Republics protectors but most planets have never even seen one in all likelihood.

Likewise millions is much more logical than 10,000 for force sensitivity given the galactic scale. If even 1-5 people from all of the Republic worlds were force sensitives the order would surely be in the millions easily.

Ah, around 10000 Jedi has been brought up for other eras as well.

I've never thought or claimed that the Jedi have a significant presence throughout the Republic. It's pretty obvious they don't. They just have a very large impact on Galactic affairs.

That's if the Jedi found all the force sensitives, they don't.

Huh. Which ones? This could be informative.

Well imo they should. Jedi should be handling common planetary issues just as much as large-scale galactic affairs. Helping out farmers, clearing pirate bases and aggressive animal dens, advising planetary leaders, that sort of thing.

Yeah, because they don't have the numbers to effectively search for them. Though I've not understood why people don't just test for force sensitivity at birth or something.

Legacy off the top of my head. Seem to recall something being mentioned about it for the KotOR era Jedi as well.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Huh. Which ones? This could be informative.

Well imo they should. Jedi should be handling common planetary issues just as much as large-scale galactic affairs. Helping out farmers, clearing pirate bases and aggressive animal dens, advising planetary leaders, that sort of thing.

Sort of like what you do in KotoR. It's even noted how irritated the farmers and locals are with the Jedi because they don't help them very much with their problems. I agree, they really should.

I see the ideal role of the Jedi as basically Green Lanterns with lightsabers. They're assigned an area and their job is just to help people in it and to maintain peace and stability in the Republic.

At least in KotoR in Dantooine, they weren't very interested in actually helping people. But yeah, the ideal Jedi should be like that.

And it's only logical to assume there were a shitload more than 10,000 Jedi in ToR.

Well there are only 7200 GLs patrolling the whole universe....

lol, almost no one ever gets scale right in sci fi.

It's stated that there are "millions of Sith" in ToR. How the hell would there be less than a million Jedi?

If that was the case, the war would've been won since the start.

By that logic the CIS should of lost to the the Jedi in seconds.

There can't be a million jedi or anywhere close to it, seeing as how "barely 100 jedi remained after the Jedi Civil War". Even 300 years, to find force users and train then adequately each generation, I'd be surprised if there were more than 10,000. Again, chalk it up to the stupid TOR writers.