Exar Kun vs Dooku

Originally posted by Nephthys
Apparantly not,

Apparently*

Originally posted by Nephthys
since you fail to realise that your phrasing can be taken as easily in the way I'm interpreting it as how you are, ie: successfully used instead of successful in its use. Just as I could be successful in using a blaster in combat, which has nothing to do with whether I am successful in my use of the blaster in combat. I succeeded in using the blaster, but failed in the task I used it for. Understand?

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If Odan-Urr couldn't sever Kun's connection to the Force, then the Force sever technique was not successfully used.

If I block their lightning with my lightsaber, they never successfully used lightning at all! Derp!

Just because they block an attack doesn't mean you didn't succeed in attacking. You still ****ing attacked. It just wasn't successful in its intended purpose/didn't penetrate their defenses.

If I use a hammer to pound a nail and the nail doesn't budge, I didn't successfully use the hammer.

Odan-Urr tried to sever Kun's Force powers and failed. He did not successfully use the technique in combat.

Your frustration is pleasing: you're playing semantics and losing.

You did use the hammer though. It just didn't pound the nail.

He used the technique. I'm not entirely sure what your point is supposed to be. Just because it didn't work on Exar Kun doesn't mean it has a, like, what? Magic requirement that it can't be used in combat or it'll fail? Thats cave man logic. Because the squirrels attacked on the full moon, they must only attack on a full moon! The **** are you even arguing?

Just because I swear doesn't mean I'm frustrated. I just like doing it for emphasis.

You being called out on your frustration and checking your anger is as gratifying to me as the fact that you lost it in the first place.

The technique is Force sever. By failing to sever Kun's connection to the Force, Odan-Urr cannot be said to have used it successfully.

And my point is that the only time I'm aware of that we see the technique work is when Nomi uses it on a distraught, unresistant Ulic.

Why should I assume that Odan-Urr can wave his hand and sever anyone else's connection to the Force if they were resisting?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The technique is Force sever. By failing to sever Kun's connection to the Force, Odan-Urr cannot be said to have used it successfully.

And my point is that the only time I'm aware of that we see the technique work is when Nomi uses it on a distraught, unresistant Ulic.

Why should I assume that Odan-Urr can wave his hand and sever anyone else's connection to the Force if they were resisting?

No, we cannot say it to have been successful. He used it just fine, it just wasn't enough to beat Kun.

Yeah, proving it can be used and be successful swiftly, without requiring prep or anything. Indicating that theres absolutely no reason it couldn't be used in battle provided you can break through your opponents defenses.

Lmao, yeah the ultimate lightside attack can't be used on anyone trying to block it! Pfft, the fact that Odan used it at all shows it can be used on someone resistant. He created the technique, do you think he just didn't know it can be blocked be anyone resisting it? I'm trying to give you credit here, but its honestly seeming like you're just typing words without considering the implications of what you are arguing*.

*which is still giving you the credit of, well, thinking at all about this.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, we cannot say it to have been successful. He used it just fine, it just wasn't enough to beat Kun.

Yeah, proving it can be used and be successful swiftly, without requiring prep or anything. Indicating that theres absolutely no reason it couldn't be used in battle provided you can break through your opponents defenses.

Lmao, yeah the ultimate lightside attack can't be used on anyone trying to block it! Pfft, the fact that Odan used it at all shows it can be used on someone resistant. He created the technique, do you think he just didn't know it can be blocked be anyone resisting it? I'm trying to give you credit here, but its honestly seeming like you're just typing words without considering the implications of what you are arguing*.

*which is still giving you the credit of, well, thinking at all about this.

I never said Odan-Urr and others couldn't try to use it mid-combat. I questioned whether or not it could successfully sever a Force user mid-combat.

You're so desperate to outsmart me that you're only outsmarting yourself.

I'm not missing your point. I'm questioning why you think its even worth asking if it can sever a Force user mid-combat?

What could possibly prevent it from being able to sever someone mid combat? The only explanations for this logic that I can think of are: a) anyone can block it with the Force (which is ****ing stupid) b) its a magical spell that as one of the requirements for a successful cast, it can't be used effectively in the heat of battle because dot dot dot.

Why couldn't it be used on someone? If Yoda used it on Scout in the middle of battle, would it just fizzle out or would it work since Scout could obviously never block an attack by Yoda?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm questioning why you think its even worth asking if it can sever a Force user mid-combat?

Admittedly, only the minor quibble that we've never actually seen it sever a Force user mid-combat.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The only explanations for this logic that I can think of are: a) anyone can block it with the Force (which is ****ing stupid) b) its a magical spell that as one of the requirements for a successful cast, it can't be used effectively in the heat of battle because dot dot dot.

Either of these will do fine.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Admittedly, only the minor quibble that we've never actually seen it sever a Force user mid-combat.

So you're just being pedantic without even considering a reason for why it couldn't sever someone in combat?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Either of these will do fine.

In that case, respond to my arguments about why such reasons don't work. Also I'll repost this:

Why couldn't it be used on someone? If Yoda used it on Scout in the middle of battle, would it just fizzle out or would it work since Scout could obviously never block an attack by Yoda?

Originally posted by Nephthys
So you're just being pedantic without even considering a reason for why it couldn't sever someone in combat?

Why should I assume otherwise? Your boner for this era notwithstanding.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In that case, respond to my arguments about why such reasons don't work. Also I'll repost this:

Why couldn't it be used on someone? If Yoda used it on Scout in the middle of battle, would it just fizzle out or would it work since Scout could obviously never block an attack by Yoda?

I believe your response was the notion that it could be blocked is "****ing stupid" (as if Star Wars never handles the Force stupidly). Not sure what response is warranted.

Instead, let me ask you: why didn't the technique work on Kun?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Why should I assume otherwise? Your boner for this era notwithstanding.

What? I don't even like Kun or anyone from his era.

The reason you should assume otherwise is because theres no reason it can't be used in battle. It can obviously be used without requiring prep or an external power source, which are the only real reasons why it wouldn't be ableto be used in that manner off the cuff.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I believe your response was the notion that it could be blocked is "****ing stupid" (as if Star Wars never handles the Force stupidly). Not sure what response is warranted.

Instead, let me ask you: why didn't the technique work on Kun?

No, obviously it can be blocked, but the notion that anyone can block it pretty braindead.

Er, because hes really powerful and Odan-Urr was old as shit? The reasons they say in the comic for why it didn't work?

Its a Force attack and obviously can't breach the defenses of a more powerful Force user. That doesn't mean it can't breach anyones defenses. Thats ridiculous.

Who said anyone can block it?

You did.

Where?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Either of these will do fine.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Why should I assume that Odan-Urr can wave his hand and sever anyone else's connection to the Force if they were resisting?

Oh, well no. I assumed you were speaking off the cuff when you said "anyone could block it."

My bad.

edit:

I stand beside the second quote.

Ok. No, I thought you were arguing that any resistance would stop the attack. Thats why I used the Yoda vs Scout example, to see if you thought that a vastly superior Force user would still fail to sever an opponent, no matter how weak, were she to attempt to resist the attack.

So to sum up: It can be used in combat, and if the opponent is powerful enough it can be blocked, if not then it will work on them. Just like any other Force power.

Do you agree with that?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok. No, I thought you were arguing that any resistance would stop the attack. Thats why I used the Yoda vs Scout example, to see if you thought that a vastly superior Force user would still fail to sever an opponent, no matter how weak, were she to attempt to resist the attack.

So to sum up: It can be used in combat, and if the opponent is powerful enough it can be blocked, if not then it will work on them. Just like any other Force power.

Do you agree with that?

Yeah, sounds about right.

Cool. 👆