Originally posted by DarkSaint85As unrealstic as Batman, and superhero comics in general? Yes.
Oh no, I invented the pooping defence! Besides, its quite a different scenario here than that in the poop defence - because Batman has trained specifically to fight. And has taken on many people before. And in comics, he has been shown to win.
By your argument, using real world logic, no guy is able to fight continuously against different, multiple opponents, for 28 hours. But he can, and has. Because comic book logic, especially when it comes to Batman, trumps real world logic lol.
He can do 1000, easily, as part of his daily routine. So 25% more than your max. As someone who no doubt frequents the gym, you will know that his 1 rep max will then be quite a bit higher than that. and who can say what he would be able to do when the chips are down and he digs in? Am of course, ignoring the weight of the bar itself (probably about 44lbs on top of that?)
Proof (note the 500lb weight plate):
So...you have no proof, that street thugs posses the skills, speed or strength necessary to knock him to the ground, hold him there, then dogpile him, whilst making sure they don't get in each other's way? [/B]
batman is not very beyond realism.
batman is a portray of someone who is at a peak human level of abilities.
however even a guy with peak abilities is not beyond reason such as say somebody who is a super human.
in comics he was shown to win some, other times he was hurt, but eventually are you assuming all humans has the same strength and overall skill and stat level? he may fight a group of losers and win easily.
he may fight a group of thugs with a slight level of intellect which will utilize the situation and the numbers properly and beat him down.
my scenario presents 50 guys that actually utilize their numbers and attack him from all directions at the same time and dogpile him, stomp and whats not.
now by batmans feats, what feats provide some kind of evidence that he can reacts to hits comming at him from 6 different directions at the very same time?
even if he can press 100 its still not enough to get out of such a human dogpile while the people are resisting.
for example wrestling... you may press for example 210lbs, and then you wrestle with someone who is 180 lbs and it will be much harder to get him off, why? because he is using more pressure and resistance against you.
he is using his weight+force pressure.
therefor batman wont only have to deal with the weight, but the force each of them will provide on top of that.
I've already shown him being dogpiled from all directions...the attackby Arkham inmates.
In any case, am using my pphone to type this out..when I get back, will post further showing how limited real world logic is compared to comics.
But the crux of my argument will be, he is beyond even peak human. The world record for an unassisted (no bench shirt, belt, elbow wraps etc is by Eric Spoto. He did this with assistance. Google image search him...this is a guy who trains everyday with only one goal in mind.
Real world logic means he'd throw four or five punches, then collapse, out of breath. Let alone the cardio gymnastics Bats does.
And Batman does over 1000lb, no belt etc, routinely....by real world logic, he'd be a hulking roided out tub of lard. Who'd run 50metres then collapse, huffing and puffing. Let alone last a 3 minute boxing round.
Re: Batman without gadjets vs 50 thugs
Originally posted by wolverinos
now i know people want to jump in and act as if the thugs are canon fodder and batman wins like a walk in the park.
now lets stop for a second and think rationally.
50 buffed thugs, all jumping at him ... its not a movie scene where they fight him 1 after the other, its 50 big thugs with probably some basic boxing and street fighting knowledge jumping at him.
can batman win?
Yes you are
OP states that the thugs have basic H2H knowledge
Nowhere does it state that they are using teamwork our that they will function as a cohesive unit or that they will I'm any way be fighting smart
As seen with most teams, the x-men being the one that comes closest to mind, they have to train with rather every day in order to work as well a they do and even then they still use attack formations so that everyone will know where they need to be in order not to get in anyone else's way.
Now from your OP it doesn't sound like they've worked with each other before so it is inevitable that accidents will happen they will get in each others way all miking for the glory of being the one to take put Batman down and if you think that Batman won't capitilise in that then you don't know the Bat
Don't get me wrong I had your opinion that Bats would get stomped out but your constant whining and Darks arguament swayed me
Originally posted by Silent MasterSo showing that a character has the speed, know how, and strength to do a task is not enough?
You haven't provided any proof, all you've done is speculate, proof would be you actually posting scans or quotes where Batman has performed similar feats.
I showed Batman having the movement and reaction speed to make 6 strikes in less than 2 seconds.
I showed Batman having the knowledge of striking pressure points.
I showed Batman having the strength to knock out a human with a single blow.
By your argument, It's speculation that Thor can lift a yacht even if he was shown to lift heavier objects but not a yacht itself. If this isn't trolling then I don't know what is.
Originally posted by h1a8
So showing that a character has the speed, know how, and strength to do a task is not enough?I showed Batman having the movement and reaction speed to make 6 strikes in less than 2 seconds.
I showed Batman having the knowledge of striking pressure points.
I showed Batman having the strength to knock out a human with a single blow.By your argument, It's speculation that Thor can lift a yacht even if he was shown to lift heavier objects but not a yacht itself. If this isn't trolling then I don't know what is.
Look, we have already established that you are completely unable to post feats to back up your claim...so why don't we just get back on topic, or are you going to insist on spamming the thread with further posts that are devoid of proof?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Look, we have already established that you are completely unable to post feats to back up your claim...so why don't we just get back on topic, or are you going to insist on spamming the thread with further posts that are devoid of proof?
So you want to ignore on panel proof of Batman's speed and reaction showings?
So you want to ignore on panel proof of Batman's strength showings?
So you want to ignore on panel proof of Batman's striking knowledge of the human body?
This is getting out of hand here. Blatantly trolling the thread.
Originally posted by Silent MasterFeats were posted showing Batman's speed. Feats were posted showing Batman's strength. Feats were posted showing Batman's pressure point knowledge. You are talking like you never seen them before (which makes your trolling obvious).
Again, we have already established that you are completely unable to post feats to back up your claim...so why don't we just get back on topic, or are you going to insist on spamming the thread with further posts that are devoid of proof?
Originally posted by Silent MasterWhy do I have to?
You have posted zero feats of Batman actually ko'ing a similar number of people in the timeframe you gave...so can we actually get back to the topic at hand or are you just going to keep spamming the thread?
If I showed him having the speed capable of doing it and the strength then why can't he do it?
Originally posted by Silent MasterAgain Batman was shown with multiple feats in this thread of having sufficient speed to throw at least 6 strikes in a couple of seconds. Batman was shown in this thread to have super human strength (which is enough to knock a REAL human out or kill them in one blow). Batman was shown to also have the knowledge of the human body for pressure point striking.
Becasue you made the claim.
Ignoring on panel proof is against KMC rules. You should know this as you been a member here for quite some time. So to suggest that Batman has never shown the necessary speed to throw 6 strikes in a matter of 2 seconds WHEN his speed feats which support it was shown here is asinine.
Originally posted by Silent MasterWhat are you talking about? Batman feats that were shown displayed him moving faster than any human can respond (they would be a statue). He was shown to bat bullets away, moving to catch arrows at the last possible instant, dodge hails or barrages of bullets aimed at him, etc. He has been shown to have super human speed and strength multiple times by real life standards.
6 people aren't just going to be standing within arms reach of Batman when the fight starts, he's actually going to have to move around and avoid their attacks in order to hit them...as of yet you haven't provided any proof that he can do this within 2-4 seconds.
6 men will be within arms reach when they sufficiently close the distance on Batman.