Originally posted by pencilcrayon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=635zWY_HhNM
When does the blitz happen?
Trailer does not represents whole fight.
God you like to talk. 🙁
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Everyone in the PT period is assumed to a great swordsman by someone else. This is something that I no longer take seriously.
You mean like how you assume everyone from the TOR era was a great warrior? Yeah, I don't take that seriously any longer either. 😉
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
In addition, being a Jedi High Council member is not the same as thing as being a Dark Council member. Both have different criteria and ascending to Dark Council is relatively much more challenging task. Consult [B]Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia to understand the differences in this regard.[/b]
I know all about this. But like it or not the Jedi on the Council are the most powerful Jedi in the Order. Just because they do not have to fight to get on it doesn't diminish them. Jedi do not benefit from such competitive environments. Despite not having that kind of competition, they are still extremely good fighters that are a match for the Sith.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If you cannot or do not wish to understand these differences, I am not going to pursue you further in this regard. Let us drop Decimus from this discussion since he is not relevant anyways. However, do not expect me to regard Decimus like some nobody or average joe. Sorry.
I did not say he was an average joe. I said that he doesn't deserve to be mentioned next to any truly great Jedi or Sith like you did:
"So we can safely assume that Krayt can kill anybody with this technique? Sidious? Luke? Vitiate? Yoda? Plagueis? Marr? Nihilus? Decimus? Revan? Abeloth? The Father? The Son? The Daughter?"
Decimus isn't even in the same ballpark as these people. 😬
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Seriously?He was very much capable of commanding a Sith Empire with plethora of experience and knowledge of dark side he had accumulated from his past experiences. However, their was so much competition in his time that he found himself outmatched by some others from within the Empire he served. Try to comprehend this.
Only Sith Emperor was able to rule his Sith Empire with iron fist. A lesser Sith could not pull off this feat for long because such were the standards that Sith Emperor had set in his Empire; his Empire have produced some of the most domineering, wisest and powerful Sith in galactic history and competition was cutthroat in it accordingly.
With many (extremely) powerful Sith vying for supremacy, it is nearly impossible for just one to dictate his terms for long. Palpatine understood this fact and therefore kept most of his dark adepts undertrained.
Malgus was the Emperor for less than a day. Its pretty pathetic actually. I expected more from him. Decades spent planning and building up his power base only to get taken out immediately. 😬
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It would be a matter of BIG IF if Krayt (types) would even get to reborn phase in the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire.If you just send reborn Krayt back in time to this Empire, he would be perceived as a threat by many others and would have to contend with the cutthroat competition the likes of he have never experienced before in his original setting. And if he somehow manages to turn some heads, their is not a problem that Sith of this time cannot find a way to solve with their antics.
Here is a thread which explains Krayt's rise to prominence:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t587882.html
The ground realities surrounding Krayt are vastly different from the ground realities surrounding Malgus.
Malgus arrived as a youngling and ascended enough to eventually compete for the greatest position of power in a system designed to test the Sith like no other in galactic history. This is very different from how Krayt orchestrated his rise in absence of such a system. You can thank Vong for his ascension too. Yes, Krayt was talented and showed promise [B]in his time
but his rise to prominence have circumstances attached to it, a lot.If Malgus had been born in another setting, he would have accomplished wonders. Malgus could impress even Sidious; end of argument.[/b]
Oh my god Legend, please stop writing so much. Brevity is the soul of wit! Holy shit, badmouth Malgus and you go ****ing nuts.
Krayt didn't receive as much competition because he was the unquestioned ultimate Sith at the time. Not because he sucks. Put Krayt in TOR and he'd be on the Dark Council easily. He's strong and cunning enough to thrive in the TOR era.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have yet to comprehend her dueling prowess properly.She can move and react so fast in a burst of speed that a millisecond seems to pass like a minute to her and she can perform multiple actions in a span of millisecond alone. On top of this, she is a master swordsman. Now try to comprehend how difficult it would be for someone to cope with Aryn's dueling prowess in single combat. No wonder, she managed to make (offensive) physical contact with Malgus during the heat of battle, a feat that no one else managed to pull off before.
Wish you Good luck for trying to prove that Krayt can match Aryn in speed.
I know Legend. I own the book:
"Aryn did not bother to respond. She dwelled in the Force, floated in and on the warm network of lines that connected all things, one to another. Her consciousness expanded to see and feel everything near her. She focused on her perception of the passage of time, first on how it felt as she moved through it, then on spreading it, stretching it, until she could linger in a millisecond as if it were a moment, then a minute. To Zeerid it would appear that she were a blur of motion, existing simultaneously in multiple places. To her, it felt as if the universe around her had stilled. She smiled, seeing the moments that hung before her, each millisecond a long moment in which she could think, in which she could act. The effort taxed her, and she knew she could not maintain it for long."
Its incredibly impressive, but hardly groundbreaking. Plus she seems to be moving faster here than she would in a duel, since she says she can't move this fast for very long. She seems to be pushing herself to her peak, benefiting from being able to deeply concentrate and connect to the Force, which she likely wouldn't be able to do in the heat of battle.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nothing indicates that Malgus needed these treatments to survive:Malgus's injuries were life-threatening in medical context but he packed enormous power in the Force, preventing his injuries from crippling him.
Even with life-threatening injuries, Malgus summoned enough strength to defeat seemingly overwhelming odds in a confrontation. On the basis of this entire performance alone, Malgus proved that he is above the likes of Darth Vader, Darth Krayt
Yes, Malgus could sustain himself well enough and for the last time, yes I FAWKING know it didn't cripple him. Jesus. But his wounds were still extensive and I see no reason why Krayt can't use them to utilise the Dark Transfer technique.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
and dare I say Darth Caedus?
No, you don't. Caedus kept fighting after getting his arm cut off. Pain and injury only made him stronger.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
One screenshot doesn't proves anything. The entire build-up towards this clash needs to be brought to limelight. In-fact some history of Cade should be brought to limelight before an informed conclusion can be reached in regard to mechanics of Dark Transfer technique.As far as I know, Cade used this power to undermine Darth Talon who had been seriously injured not long ago but Cade reopened her freshly healed wounds with this power, incapacitating her in the process.
In addition, it is unlikely for Krayt to put Malgus down with his lightning in the manner as he did to Cade as shown in the screenshot. Malgus is beyond this level of vulnerability with his defensive abilities.
As far as I know the whole fight is this:
Then the image I posted. After placing his hand on Cade, Krayt then uses Dark Transfer to kill him then bring him back to life, after which Cade surprises him and kills him. My source is here.
But we don't need any history. You can see for yourself that Cade is not extensively injured. Krayt uses the technique on a person with a hell of a lot less wounds than Malgus has. He can use it on Malgus.
No, he isn't. Remember this:
Cade has superior defensive abilities to Malgus. Yet in the fight above Krayt still smacks him around with his TK.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus, in the early phase of his story arc (Return footage), would rip Anakin (AOTC) apart. This is the earliest point of Malgus known to us and he is already damn good.
Against a berserk AotC Anakin I highly doubt it's be that easy.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
She is not far behind him either; very close to be precise.
No, no not that close.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kenobi isn't going to be more of a challenge to Malgus then lets say Ven Zallow had been and I am being very generous here.Have Kenobi even blitzed (proven) warriors? He haven't. Zallow have. Do the math.
Unlike Zallow, Kenobi's fighting style is based on defense. It would take more for Malgus to overwhelm Kenobi than it would Zallow.
Kenobi has never faced Sith Warriors you goof. 😬 He's plenty fast.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Like it matters? Tinn, Fisto and Kolar have more hype then even Obi-Wan.
Yet Kenobi is better than them. Kenobi has extremely good lightsaber feats to back it up. You shouldn't underestimate him so much.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Seriously?Yes, I do expect these bodyguards to be well-trained but to expect them to be on par with the Sith who participated in Sacking of Coruscant? You have reached too far with your assumptions now.
The Sith who were dispatched to raid the Jedi Temple on Coruscant were warriors with proven battlefield records (including actual Jedi kills under their belt); they weren't some bodyguards, assassins or individuals roaming freely around in cantinas.
Erm.... hello! The bodyguards of the EMPEROR! You don't think the freaking Emperor, the most important person in the Empire, would be protected by the very best of the best they have available? This is like expecting the people guarding Vitiate to not be very good. Um, no. They're the best. Duh. 😬
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You seem to have no idea about the buildup of events that led to Sacking of Coruscant.Consult [B]Book of Sith: Secrets of the Dark Side
for some information in this regard.[/b]
😬
Legend, cut it out with this condescending shit. I know just as much about TOR as you do. I've read Deceived, I have the Encylcopedia, I've watched the holonet and I've played the game a lot more than you and in all of those the Sacking of Coruscant is well documented.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, I have a reason to assert this. Figure it out yet or are we moving in circles still?
Malgus' dueling ability is less documented than his force abilities. I'd be a bit more sure if he'd received some info on how good of a duelist he was.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus demonstrated the capability to evade the offensive moves of 3 Jedi who ganged up on him, so why he cannot blitz them? He have outdueled opponents who have blitzing potential. Common sense.
Because he didn't speedblitz them. Its that simple. Maybe he could, but he didn't. So you can't say that he did.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The act of blitzing is a moment's game. The opportunity to do so is either availed or not.
What, no it isn't. If you can speedblitz someone it doesn't matter about the moment, you can move so much faster than your opponent that you can beat them regardless of the circumstances.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus would do better then Krayt at least.
Sure.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Oh, did somebody believed that Malgus's battlefield feats have never been duplicated? Yes, that somebody was the mighty Sidious.
I don't give a shit about Sidious' opinion. Plagueis was well versed in the lore of the Sith and was supremely confident that he was the most powerful Sith to ever live. Are you going to blindly believe his word as well?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
If Vong had not experimented on Krayt, Jedi Order had not been so blind and Palpatine had not left a platform for him to step on (Fel Empire), Krayt would have been a nobody. Suck it up.
Lmao. Yeah, and if Satele Shan had spent a few minutes digging through the rubble, she could have easily killed Malgus and he'd be a nothing too!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I have learned to (not) trust your judgment in debates involving following characters:1. Bane
2. KraytOn the whole, I respect you for being open-minded and great debater. However, when you find a favorite, all bets are off.
LOLWUT!?
I've never even read any of the comics with Krayt in them. I know nothing about him other than what I've read in peoples arguments for him here and some research for feats. 😆
I'm seriously not biased for him, especially against Malgus who I actually know and like somewhat.
Everyone knows that you're the real biased one here anyway. Intrepid was right to laugh. Malgus above Yoda? Serious? Lol!
Hestizo Trace has the fastest speed feat on record so far. To clarify:
A Whipid bounty hunter moves so fast he basically flash steps to Force users.
When she has a moment of "time to kick ass", she moves so fast the same Whipid is visible and moving slowly compared to her, and she bursts forward and owns several guys before he can even cover the distance. It's a wonder she didn't implode from the speed. If I don't forget, I'll try to get the quote from the book and post it sometime.
That article is shamefully done. Hestizo has a special link with plantlife and a ridiculously high midi-chlorian count too, but no real combat training. So her no-holds beatdown comes out of nowhere.
The Whipid isn't human, bro. And this one was demonstrably faster than anything unlockable in TOR.
Also, I'm not sure this guy could kill an average Jedi. He's canny, and a threat to Trace outside of her Heroic Moment, but I don't recall him being matched against say, a Sith Lord or Jedi Knight of any real calibre. I'll reread it.
SW Legend has a pretty clear pro-TOR era bent, IMO.
He talks a lot about how it was the era with so much competition and therefore Sith from that time are stronger, even comparing the not-best-of-their-era Sith to the best force users of other eras.
I don't feel the actual feats back this up, and there's more than enough room for individuals to get large amounts of experience in other eras too, of course.
Neph
As far as I know the whole fight is this:Then the image I posted.
There is more sword play and stuff in between, but you aren't missing anything that'd affect your argument.
I'll comment my impression is simply that the human body naturally has plenty of shatterpoints.
That's just how it is- Cade was able to find shatterpoints in Muur's 'indestructible' amulet after all, and the body has muscle tears, wear and tear, and everything else. While using existing wounds like Malgus's would make it even easier, I don't think anyone is immune, because everyone has shatterpoints that one can turn into wounds.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh is that how it works? Damn, ok then that technique really is OP as hell, lol.
Yea, that's what I'm saying 🙂
I think it does depend on skill- at first, Cade may have required working on existing wounds like Talon's, but at high levels, the user is just making the wounds from places that can be hurt.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I know Legend. I own the book:"Aryn did not bother to respond. She dwelled in the Force, floated in and on the warm network of lines that connected all things, one to another. Her consciousness expanded to see and feel everything near her. She focused on her perception of the passage of time, first on how it felt as she moved through it, then on spreading it, stretching it, until she could linger in a millisecond as if it were a moment, then a minute. To Zeerid it would appear that she were a blur of motion, existing simultaneously in multiple places. To her, it felt as if the universe around her had stilled. She smiled, seeing the moments that hung before her, each millisecond a long moment in which she could think, in which she could act. The effort taxed her, and she knew she could not maintain it for long."