Post-SWTOR Revan?

Even without beating Vitiate the HoT is better than Revan. Pointing out her lack of experience is irrelevant since the Hero was one of if not the strongest Jedi in the Order as a padawan. The Hero has also fought more Sith than Revan has. 😉

However, the Hero did beat Vitiate and it wasn't just because he was weakened. Vitiate himself credits the Hero's prowess to her 'immense power.'

Also Vitiate did have time to recuperate, especially with a Lightsided HoT, since the Hero needs to invade Dromund Kaas and fight through the Imperial Guard to get to him. He wasn't fully recovered, but he did recover some of his strength. And as Scourge says, he was recovering swiftly. The delay in going to save your companion is enough for Vitiate to noticeably recover, and that delay was tiny.

Originally posted by Dolos
Revan>HoT. HoT had no experience.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Numbers 1, 3 and 4 of the most expensive games are Rockstar. #2 is TOR.

Wow. Did not realize it cost that much for Tomb Raider. No wonder Tomb Raider was stated to underperform despite selling 4 million games.

I'd love to see a reason as to why Revan is actually superior to HoT other than experience, which the Hero also has him beat in, in terms of fighting (powerful) force users.

Comparable feats and accolades presumably.

There's just nothing about HoT to put him above even a young Satele Shan, who was able to get the upper hand on Malgus with just a little help from a Republic Commando, much less Revan.

Originally posted by Nephthys
But Vitiate was quite drastically weakened in that he tried to perform a ritual to absorb all the power of the galaxy and it backfired.

Originally posted by Nephthys
However, imo the amp he got from the Dark Temple should even it out.

Vitiate was also involved in suppressing other dark side forces inside the Dark Temple during this encounter.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yeah. But he was given time to recover, and if that isnt enough, the Hero would be weakened in the dark temple. It evens out.

HoT was aided by a T7 and spirit of Orgus who bolstered his resistance capabilities or so I have heard.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
So... Full-Power Vitiate vs Full-Power HOT, HOT wins.

Check this thread for revelations: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t587136.html

Originally posted by Nephthys
Imo it is between Yoda, Luke and the Hero of Tython.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate was also involved in suppressing other dark side forces inside the Dark Temple during this encounter.

Gotta quote?

Originally posted by Dolos
There's just nothing about HoT to put him above even a young Satele Shan, who was able to get the upper hand on Malgus with just a little help from a Republic Commando, much less Revan.

Neph u should probably link him up with the HoT respect thread.

Agreed. Dolos, here, educate yourself.

Not above young Satele...... lmao.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No

Vitiate was also involved in suppressing other dark side forces inside the Dark Temple during this encounter.

Thats speculation. While the rampaging spirits had been calmed, theres no indication of what actually happened or if it was something Vitiate needed to continuously hold in check.

Originally posted by ares834
Gotta quote?

Originally posted by Dolos
Even so, the fact remains that Vitiate was weakened in preparation for his ritual and Scourge ensured that HoT would get to him before he had time to recuperate. Scourge had spent decades studying Vitiate's weaknesses. HoT's victory was the result of the exploitation of those weaknesses, no grandeur ode to HoT's supposed ">Revan" power.

Originally posted by Dolos
Revan>HoT. HoT had no experience.

HoT is possibly Luke tier and he have ample experience under his belt.

Originally posted by ares834
Gotta quote?

If this theory is inspired by my reasons for why Sidious could possibly be the strongest Sith Lord in the mythos, the DE Sourcebook literally states that Byss was a dark side nexus, and that he was stronger on Byss than on the Eclipse.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dark Temple is filled with lot of dangerous dark side forces that act against the visitors. Sith Emperor had to ensure the safety of his Imperial Guard from such forces.

So it's supposition... After all, the Guards themselves are probably powerful enough to hold back the spirits and such.

Originally posted by Dolos
Where's the quote where the Dark Emperor is so much more powerful because of his Temple??

If this theory is inspired by my reasons for why Sidious could possibly be the strongest Sith Lord in the mythos, the DE Sourcebook literally states that Byss was a dark side nexus, and that he was stronger on Byss than on the Eclipse.

I can't quite recall the source or quote, but it is stated (probably somewhere in TOR) that Vitiate drains power and knowledge from the ghosts in the Dark Temple. On top of it's other benefits:

The Dark Temple is an immensely powerful darkside nexus. Its so powerful that conventional weapons fail when near it, so thick is the darkside in the air. Vitiate would be greatly boosted by its energies.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats speculation. While the rampaging spirits had been calmed, theres no indication of what actually happened or if it was something Vitiate needed to continuously hold in check.

Originally posted by ares834
So it's supposition... After all, the Guards themselves are probably powerful enough to hold back the spirits and such.

However, I am not sure if Imperial Guards could contain the forces trapped inside the Dark Temple. Sith Emperor is most likely responsible since he chose this place to perform his ritual and stationed his guards inside this place without concern.

Originally posted by ares834
After all, the Guards themselves are probably powerful enough to hold back the spirits and such.

Much like Sidious in DE, he had to empower his strongest servants with parts of his own essence. DE Sidious, Abeloth, Son, Vader w/Kaiburr Crystal, Nihilus, and Vitiate did wield the greatest energies of any other dark sider - BUT there energy levels were not constant, as much of there energy drew upon sorcery and negative emotions there energy was spent on weakening host bodies or bestowed upon servants.

The light side was far more stable, although even light sider's power fluctuated relative to how much dark side off-balanced the light within them. Luke could access so much light side energy that he destroyed Abeloth's host body despite her efforts to resist. Yoda felt the light leaving him, the light and dark powers of Daughter and Abeloth constantly off-balanced each other.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I can't quite recall the source or quote, but it is stated (probably somewhere in TOR) that Vitiate drains power and knowledge from the ghosts in the Dark Temple. On top of it's other benefits:

The Dark Temple is an immensely powerful darkside nexus. Its so powerful that conventional weapons fail when near it, so thick is the darkside in the air. Vitiate would be greatly boosted by its energies.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Guards don't have (super) powers of their own. However, they share a special bond with the Sith Emperor which makes it possible for them to call upon the dark side to bolster their abilities.

However, I am not sure if Imperial Guards could contain the forces trapped inside the Dark Temple. Sith Emperor is most likely responsible since he chose this place to perform his ritual.

Yes, I realize that the Guards derive their powers from Vitate I read the book. However, you claimed that it was Vitiate that was suppressing the spirits and there is simply no concrete evidence that that is true.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Who calmed those rampaging spirits? 😉

Vitiate could have sent Sith in well beforehand to prepare for his ritual and silence the ghosts. Or he could have just done it himself, but before his ritual. Theres no indication that he was weakened from holding them back or anything.

Originally posted by Dolos
Why is that?

Much like Sidious in DE, he had to empower his strongest servants with parts of his own essence. DE Sidious, Abeloth, Son, Vader w/Kaiburr Crystal, Nihilus, and Vitiate did wield the greatest energies of any other dark sider - BUT there energy levels were not constant, as much of there energy drew upon sorcery and negative emotions there energy was spent on weakening host bodies or bestowed upon servants.

The light side was far more stable, although even light sider's power fluctuated relative to how much dark side off-balanced the light within them. Luke could access so much light side energy that he destroyed Abeloth's host body despite her efforts to resist. Yoda felt the light leaving him, the light and dark powers of Daughter and Abeloth constantly off-balanced each other.

I honestly fail to see what this has to do with anything I have stated...