Originally posted by Dolos
Now you are wanking the HoT.
No, this is wanking the HoT:
The Hero of Tython could beat Revan and Malak put together, with one hand.
The Hero of Tython could beat the entire Dark Council put together, just like Vitiate did.
The Hero of Tython is the greatest Jedi to ever live.
The Hero of Tython is the most powerful Jedi to ever live.
Originally posted by Dolos
We haven't seen anything from him other than besting mediocre Jedi and Sith,
Lol. Lord Scourge is not mediocre. Darth Angral was not mediocre. Tol Braga was not mediocre. Fulminiss was not mediocre.
Originally posted by Dolos
you're putting everything on his battle with Vitiate, and Vitiate was at a fraction of his greatest powers. His powers fluctuated throughout the centuries, it was his esoteric abilities that mainly allowed him to gain a lot of power to defeat the Dark Council or to bestow power on his subjects.
His power didn't fluctuate. According to SWTORE Vitiates power was 'ever increasing.' The Vitiate the HoT fought was more powerful than the one Revan got schooled by.
Originally posted by Dolos
I do not think he was at his peak even when he was challenged by Revan, as earlier he'd wiped out an entire Dark Council in a flash of light. Revan had years, could draw on both lightside and dark side energies, if he can draw on the dark side, for hundreds of years, you better believe he's far stronger than HoT; the Sith, Jedi, and opponents he defeated, including the weakened Vitiate (and we don't know the extent of this weakening) are completely unquantifiable, don't add up to Revan's accolades.
I don't know what you're saying here. Revan was drawing on the darkside for hundreds of years? What?
Originally posted by Dolos
HoT was not stronger than Satele Shan,
Other than her directly saying the HoT was better than her.
Originally posted by Dolos
I don't think he was even close.
Lmao!
Originally posted by Dolos
The online website encyclopedia thing did said powerful, but Bane was stated to be the most powerful Sith in history, Sidious claimed himself the most powerful Sith in history before being immediately contradicted by sensing a presence (presumably his master) greater than his own. That can be easily interpreted as hyperbole.
Huh? What encyclopedia said what about who?
Originally posted by Dolos
I just can't give you this, Revan was also a prodigy, in fact KoToR Revan would only be HoT's peer up until he faced Malak - due to his experience as a Sith Lord, it took him longer to resist Vitiate's mind domination but then again, as before, Vititate might have been weaker when he faced the Jedi Strike team than when he brain-washed Revan and Malak.
He wasn't weaker. The Vitiate who fought the the Strike Team in the Jedi Knight Act II ending was his most powerful form ever seen.
Originally posted by Dolos
Vitiate sensed great power in HoT, but then said that he lacked to will to harness it.
Yeah, and he was then proven wrong when the Hero kicked his ass.
Originally posted by Dolos
There's nothing that put's HoT that far above Revan, not your one quantifiable feat of defeating a weakened Vitiate.
I have a whole respect thread bro.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Dude, you are trolling. Do you just make this fact's up in your head? Bane was never ever stated as the most powerful Sith Lord in history, you are ****ing insane, Sidious is confirmed by George Lucas (G-CANON) to be the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
News just in: Emperor Vitiate defeated by mediocre Jedi Knight. Satele takes back her statement that the HoT is the Jedi's greatest warrior. Scourge takes back calling the HoT the Jedi's finest. Morr takes back calling the HoT the strongest Jedi he'd ever met. Vitiate totally recants about the HoT possessing immense power. In Dolos-world, the greatest Sith Lord to ever live up to that point got beat by a neophyte loser. The astromech probably carried her through the fight to be honest.
Okay, so it takes Anakin Skywalker a decade to start becoming stronger than Sidious; and it takes HoT no time at all to grow more powerful than Vitiate who can Force drain worlds on his own, and is presumably more powerful than Palpatine.
That's Neph's world - greatest warrior=/=most powerful Force wielder. Mace Windu was stated to be the greatest Swordsman ever produced by the Jedi order; yet is accepted as the "second baddest Jedi", under Yoda.
In this case, Satele was the most powerful Jedi in that era, but nothing compared to Vitiate.
HoT's power progression is insane, as is Anakin's. you're acting as if HoT didn't go through training, just like Anakin did. You're acting as if the acts in SWTOR are days apart. lmao when did he drain a world on his own?
Windu was never considered that bro, present the correct context.
the barsen'thor is more powerful in the force, as is the Hero:
"The Emperor lies beaten at your feet. For all his power, he was no match for you."
Originally posted by Dolos
Okay, so it takes Anakin Skywalker a decade to start becoming stronger than Sidious; and it takes HoT no time at all to grow more powerful than Vitiate who can Force drain worlds on his own, and is presumably more powerful than Palpatine.That's Neph's world - greatest warrior=/=most powerful Force wielder. Mace Windu was stated to be the greatest Swordsman ever produced by the Jedi order; yet is accepted as the "second baddest Jedi", under Yoda.
In this case, Satele was the most powerful Jedi in that era, but nothing compared to Vitiate.
True.
It kind of does equal that. In terms of combat ability the Hero is above Satele and she calls him the Jedi's best hope. Orgus Din also says the Hero is stronger in the Force than he's felt in decades, when Satele is in the same damn room. Bengal Morr says the Hero is the strongest Jedi he'd ever met. As a padawan. Scourge calls him the Jedi's finest after the Hero kicks his ass. And Mace was never stated to be the greatest swordsman ever produced.
No she isn't. The Hero would beat her with mild difficulty.
HoT or any Jedi can never be stronger or even match Vitiate in power. Vitiate's abilities are unnatural.
Vitiate eventually reached too high with his plans and abilties and he was stopped by the will of the Force itself. HoT just happened to be the right agent at the right time.
HoT is on par with FOTJ Luke, IMO. He is unusually powerful outside Skywalker line-up.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Haven't you argued that Revan is more powerful than Nihilus despite Nihilus' abilities also being unnatural?
Originally posted by Nephthys
The Hero of Tython is the Champion of Light, yes. Doesn't mean it was all a predestined fluke.
I believe that HoT was a product of the will of the Force in response to Vitiate becoming so powerful. In-fact, TOR era witnessed arrival of unusual number of powerful agents of the light to checkmate the dark.