Jaden Korr Vs Darth Maul

This is Jaden Korr Jedi Master currenty in 44 ABY

Accomplishments: Defeated the Sith Spirit of Marka Ragnos, Defeated Tavion and the Sith Disciples of Ragnos, Defeated other enemies in the wars and defeated One Sith agents throughout the cosmos.

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Maul - Crushed the Black sun, Defeated Bondara, Defeated Qui Gon Jinn, Defeated Obi Wan on some occasions.

So two chess players of Saber dueling go at it in a pure Lightsaber match, who takes it?

Maul stomps him with his bare hands .-.

How and why?

Originally posted by Allankles
How and why?

You left out that he beat Savage in less then 5 moves with a single saber while Savage had a double-saber, stood up pretty good against Sidious, even physically tagging him, with his robotic legs, nonetheless, and defeating Pre Viszla.

Vizla was a cunning one to be sure, very persistent an excellent swordsman, but Maul was wont to be over elaborate. You still haven't explained how this is some one sided fight, his fighting a Kor afterall.

I don't think this is a stomp.

Nah, this may not be a stomp but Maul does win. Defeating Tavion means squat since she never demonstrated much, and defeating Marka Ragnos's spirit doesn't mean much, either. His spirit was clearly very limited when compared to his living version and thus can't be counted as a truly notable feat. Defeating Marka Ragnos in the flesh >>>> defeating Marka Ragnos's 5000 year old spirit whose only power source was his scepter.

Maul, on the other hand, has quite impressive feats and has demonstrated to be the superior swordsman and combatant.

I also think Kor could lose a pure saber duel with Maul but if he brings the force, he ties Maul up in 10 minutes. Great fight either way.

One has to wonder if there's an atrophy of Force spirits over time, since Kun and Ragnos' spirits thousands of years later required a lot of life-Force to sustain them just barely, and were much weaker than their living forms explicitly. However, Freedan Nadd, a much younger spirit, was more formidable in comparison and Ragnos spirit upon appearing to Sadow and Kressh invokes absolute obedience. He later "forces" Kun and Ulic to work together, and tells Ulic he's inferior and the guy accepts it.

Also in every case where Sith attempt to live forevah, they are seen draining millions, planets, etc. in this attempt. Obviously they know something we conclusively don't but can infer; that living as a Force shade (and not succumbing like Obi-Wan's did) requires a tremendous amount of power, and atrophy apparently does kick in.

It takes a tremendous amount of power to give a Sith Lord as big in the force as Ragnos an apparition form in the physical realm.

That seems to be the case. Every time we see a manifestation of a Sith Lord, they have required some deus ex artifact or power sap to maintain it.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
One has to wonder if there's an atrophy of Force spirits over time, since Kun and Ragnos' spirits thousands of years later required a lot of life-Force to sustain them just barely, and were much weaker than their living forms explicitly. However, Freedan Nadd, a much younger spirit, was more formidable in comparison and Ragnos spirit upon appearing to Sadow and Kressh invokes absolute obedience. He later "forces" Kun and Ulic to work together, and tells Ulic he's inferior and the guy accepts it.

Also in every case where Sith attempt to live forevah, they are seen draining millions, planets, etc. in this attempt. Obviously they know something we conclusively don't but can infer; that living as a Force shade (and not succumbing like Obi-Wan's did) requires a tremendous amount of power, and atrophy apparently does kick in.

This. I was wondering this, exactly. The only explanation is that spirits are indeed weakened over time for some unexplained reason.

That's my thoughts, and that's why I don't consider say, Jaden's defeat of Ragnos' spirit as impressive as Kun's vanquishing of Nadd's spirit.

I'm the opposite, I consider Jaden's vanquishing of Ragnos superior to Kun's, since Kun betrayed Nadd to vanquish him. Kor had to fight.

Erm, no. Kun outright overpowered Nadd in an instant. This was crucial because prior to receiving the amulet (and explicitly accepting the Dark Side), Kun could not do anything to Nadd, and Nadd had complete superiority over his descendants on the planet, including Aleema and Ommin.

Meanwhile, Jaden Korr fights a weakened Ragnos' spirit stuck in Tavion's relatively weak body. The idea of "betrayal" or sucker punch means little in this respect.

Dude, Kun betrayed Nadd. He turns the amulet on his erstwhile mentor vis-a-vis betraying the guy who helped make him powerful, before he could react.

Kor has to fight not one but 2 dark personalities, just to say he survived his first year at Jedi school, big difference man.

1. Nadd was unconcerned because he felt he was more powerful than Kun. He had reknit Kun's physical body before after making the guy beg. This was around the same time he attacked Arca Jeth across the galaxy. It's an assumption that he would have been better able to defend if he had been "on his guard", since Kun is explicitly stronger than Nadd at this point.

2. Ragnos' spirit in the form of Tavion, or any of his cult disciples are demonstrably weaker in comparison. Tavion's greatest feats are attributed to Ragnos' own sceptre.

I'm still not seeing your viewpoint.

Tavion is a young dark Jedi, still growing in the force, so she has what we call "upside" with the force, basically her potential has barely been tapped really, so Ragnos filling the spaces is what happened there.

Kun didn't have to struggle to accomplish the feat, he just blasted the guy to kingdom come before the dude knew what hit him. It didn't give us a chance to even gauge what Nadd would have done.

Ragnos at least got some respect by seeing his vanquishing coming.

But considering that Nadd killed a lot of people like that, including his own former Sith mentor Naga Sadow, it's not a big surprise he got his comeupings in the same way.

Please stop blowing Jaden. And once again,. It's Korr, with 2 R's.