Jaden Korr Vs Darth Maul

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You still didn't establish your earlier point.

Even though he killed Sadow prior? And raised a treacherous den of Force-sensitive family members? Also, this doesn't establish anything concrete.

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Where are you getting this information from? Some pocket dimension inside of your rectum? This is the definition of reaching.

Ragnos was noted for dueling to keep his throne, so for him to use speed, skill, strength, force of arms and alchemy is normal for him as a Sith Warrior.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You are projecting way too much of your own personal views on this. For one, this isn't in the game. If it is, my memory has utterly failed me but a Youtube video or screen capture would be vital to make this stick.

Well...we're both projecting personal views dude.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Two, Ragnos crowned Exar Kun and said he would prevent the Sith legacy from dying out, merely because he sensed the power in the new Sith Lord. Ragnos can actively sense people's strength, as just about anyone here. He wouldn't need to battle Jaden to prove anything. Sith bushido is not a real concept.

It is... it is the means by which they have protected their kingdom,
the means by which they enforced their ideals, basically the
Sith Code.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Three, Ragnos would be greedy to live again to spread the Sith ideals and conquer the Jedi. Thus he would be eager to smackdown Jaden and get on living.

Yes, that too.

Maul wins. Faster, stronger, more skilled, more experienced.

Faster: "The dark side blossomed in Darth Maul, the power of it resonating in him like black lightning, augmenting his years of training, guiding his actions. Time seemed to slow, to stretch."
-From Darth Maul Shadow Hunter

Stronger: "Dodging them, Maul ran across the room and dived headfirst through a window, somersaulting midair so that he hit the ground on his feet, now centered among his astonished opponents. Growling, he clenched his bare hands and set on them, killing one after another."
-From End Game

More skilled: "In many ways Darth Maul was an exemplary acolyte. His loyalty was unquestionable and unshakable; Sidious knew that, if he were to command it, Maul would sacrifice his life without a second's hesitation. And his skills as a warrior were nonpareil."
-From Darth Maul Shadow Hunter

More Experience:

Maul's idea of dog-like loyalty was kind of interesting considering he was a Sith, but it was never his personality that made him a major player; he was a loyal assassin and that was pretty much it, until the recent series turned him into a *****.

Kor's force abilities and Jedi skills would turn the new Maul into a joke, this is TPM "can take on Black Sun by myself" Maul, any other and it's a mismatch in favor of Kor.

CW Maul > PM Maul

CW Maul is a joke compared to his original actually.

lol.

Guys don't seem to get that. And also Obi was also more aggressive as a fighter in the TPM era, an ataru expert at the time, before switching to Soresu in the CW era.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Actually, I'd like to establish a baseline here of Tavion's relative weakness; Kun, in a similar place of darkness, aided Kyp Durron in basically dominating Luke Skywalker.

Tavion, with Ragnos' spirit in her, can't defeat Jaden Korr, who is barely a Jedi.

The idea is that either Ragnos' spirit is drastically weaker than Kun's (either due to natural atrophy versus Kun's massassi mass-drain or because he is naturally weaker than Kun, which is suspect) or Tavion is the weak link.

I think it's a combination of the fact that natural atrophy comes into play and the fact that Tavion is a weakass pretender.

Tavion was titled the Steward Of The Sceptre, making her greed as a young Sith acolyte, understandable.
But she should have given the Jedi the Sceptre without need for violence.

Uh... Okay.

Originally posted by Allankles
Guys don't seem to get that. And also Obi was also more aggressive as a fighter in the TPM era, an ataru expert at the time, before switching to Soresu in the CW era.

This is incorrect, he was a student of Ataru, and later changed to Soresu because he saw how inadequate it was against Maul, specifically by a master of the form named Qui-Gon Jinn.

Originally posted by Petrus
I think it's a combination of the fact that natural atrophy comes into play and the fact that Tavion is a weakass pretender.

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At no point does the game lead us to conclude that Tavion is anything but this.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
This is incorrect, he was a student of Ataru, and later changed to Soresu because he saw how inadequate it was against Maul, specifically by a master of the form named Qui-Gon Jinn.

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At no point does the game lead us to conclude that Tavion is anything but this.

Aah! Thanks for the correction, but Obi Wan fearing Ataru was basically what happened there.

Yup, pretty much. In fact, the only person who seems to use it to any real utility level is Yoda, and he's on another plane compared to the other knights and masters.

The fighting styles always struck me as poorly implemented, perhaps because G-canon doesn't take note of them, and they originated shortly after AotC which has limited dueling entirely. Soresu, for example, is all about blaster bolt blocknig (which Obi-Wan does in spades, but Anakin does equally well) and is a defensive style, yet Obi-Wan's defense is penetrated many many times throughout his career. About the only person he dominates is Grievous, and that guy is a muggle. In comparison, Maul's or Dooku's defense is much tighter, even though they rely on vastly different styles.

Originally posted by Allankles
CW Maul is a joke compared to his original actually.

I really hope you don't take this to too personal an offense, but...
You're an idiot.

CW Maul was much more powerful with the Force and incorporated many saber styles with his new single blade. He was at his absolute peak against Sidious when using two blades. Not only that, he became much more cultural and put his hate to better use and became the Master of Savage Opress who already surpasses TPM Maul, and his command of the Force was nearly unbeatable. For instance, take notice of my recollection of all his Force abilities I witnessed during his resurrection:

1. Darth Maul effortlessly hung Obi-Wan by his throat on Yellowblade's landing
2. Darth Maul mastered the art of piercing one such as Ko Solok with a saber throw
3. Darth Maul collapsed an entire factory corridor on Moorjhone while desperate and on the run with a bare lightsaber wound
4. Darth Maul stopped one of the Moorjhoni's leader's hearts
5. Darth Maul Telekinetically stopped a rabid and deadly Obi-Wan with the opportunity to kill him (He didn't because he wanted to get revenge in a more cruel emotional way)
6. Darth Maul brought down Obi-Wan and Adi Gallia's freighter while on the run in a field of blaster fire, missing one of his artificial legs that had a physical connection to him
7. Darth Maul impeccably Force choked Satine Kryze without gesture
8. Darth Maul penetrated Darth Sidious's pressurizing Force lightning with a large Force push

Add this to the fact that he displayed that he wasn't only a highly experienced martial artist but a Dooku-worthy swordsman/fencer and he defeated Pre Vizsla without using his Force powers--only springing upward with his cybernetic legs, and that fight against Vizsla was all just for show--Maul is vastly superior to his TPM state, who would grow much more reliant and closer to death were he in all of TCW Maul's situations.

Anyway, as for the fight, Maul wins a hard duel against Jaden. Though Jaden is extraordinary powerful, he is lacking in experience and unlike Maul, he learned Luke's gay new blue-yellow-red styles, rather than all the seven forms.

Darth Maul beats Jaden Korr, and he beats TPM Maul if he's in TCW state.

He's much less cool though. estahuh

Mauls power never really increased, it plateaud.
When he had all his limbs he was mobile enough not to even need the force outside of movement augmentation in fights.

So circumstance and hatred made him more force heavy, plus fanboys wanted to see him at least sling some force powers.

But his lower body was roboto and his head was in the clouds.
Easier to fool, easier to shock - less of a Maul.

Creativity wise TCW Maul would get embarrassed all out, guy is not the most creative and for a lithe, slick type fighter he sure goes head long a lot - like he was part Magna guard, which I guess he kinda was.

Anyway TCW Maul is too roboto, too fixed, to static to beat this guy. You need TPM Maul, he had better self preservation protocols.

Originally posted by Petrus
I think it's a combination of the fact that natural atrophy comes into play and the fact that Tavion is a weakass pretender.

I wouldn't call Tavion a pretender. The Sith isn't a exclusive 'club', it is a belief, and Tavion has a right to call herself such.