The game is the first canon source, don't respect that and you don't respect the spirit of the character.
Novels indicate he still has a propensity for using multiple weapons with at least two blades on his person. Also disguising himself as a commando on some missions in the Vong War. All of it suggesting he continued using and training in multiple weapons including disguise - a thing Maul was never noted for.
His Jar Kai at 14 has been seen, his saber staffing at 14 has been seen. He never put any limits on himself, where does it say he can't saber staff or duel wield. It is been shown that he prefers single blade, not different from how many saw him, but the other avenues to learn - in case of emergencies - were made available to him in that first year. So this concept didn't materialize from bias or wishful thinking but from the source itself.
Its pretentious to suggest preference for one variant excludes training in others, they're knee deep in a galaxy of war, multiple weapon usage and training is expected. If Maul chose to limit himself, that's on him.
Originally posted by Allankles
The game is the first canon source, don't respect that and you don't respect the spirit of the character.
Revan can kill Malak entirely with stims and mines.
[derp]That is now canon. Don't respect that, don't respect the spirit of the character.[/derp]
Novels indicate he still has a propensity for using multiple weapons with at least two blades on his person.
But no saberstaff? You were explicit on this.
Also disguising himself as a commando on some missions in the Vong War. All of it suggesting he continued using and training in multiple weapons including disguise - a thing Maul was never noted for.
Yeah, disguise is real important in bloodlust battles, I hear.
/sarcasm
His Jar Kai at 14 has been seen, his saber staffing at 14 has been seen.
Seen when? Where? Context? You made a claim, prove up.
He never put any limits on himself, where does it say he can't saber staff or duel wield.
Where does it say he mastered these forms?
It is been shown that he prefers single blade, not different from how many saw him, but the other avenues to learn - in case of emergencies - were made available to him in that first year. So this concept didn't materialize from bias or wishful thinking but from the source itself.
Your opinion on gameplay choices is not source material. Sorry. Reread the SW canon Wookiepedia page.
Its pretentious to suggest preference for one variant excludes training in others, they're knee deep in a galaxy of war, multiple weapon usage and training is expected. If Maul chose to limit himself, that's on him.
You never ever demonstrated how Maul limited himself, and your bias smacks of either overt trolling, or a shocking lack of self-awareness. In any case:
Maul limited himself to using sabers only, he abandoned the higher Sith principles of Dun Moch, and didn't focus too deeply on force powers.
By comparison, Jaden was trained by Katarn the premier martial artist of the previous generations Jedi, learnt spy techniques, learned weapons technology, learned history - real history (not Sith indoctrinated history), diplomacy, learned Sith alchemy through the holocrons of the Sith made available by Tionne. Learned dark side techniques including how to channel Juyo in a fight.
And on top of this received a brand spanking new stable jedi-sith hybrid genetically modified non-spaarti clone body - from the accumulated cloning procedures of Thrawns old Wayland project.
So no, dude - Maul is playing catch up.
"There are three ways to defeat your enemy. The first, and most obvious, is to better him in a trial of force. The best way is to have him destroy himself…The middle way is to destroy your enemy from within. Judicious application of the middle way shall make your blows more effective if you later take the way of force. From the middle way it is also possible to push your enemy onto the path of self-destruction." - Atristian warrior mantra attributed to ancient emperor
Seems a lot like the Strong - Middle - Fast methodology to combat that Kor practiced.
Kor better than Maul is not a radical statement the universe is big not small - Rosh Penin to new students at the New Jedi Order battlegrounds.
You're trying to tell me that Jaden is better because he has a more well rounded non saber education and he has a new body of unknown quality compared to the one he had in JA, and he is trained by Kyle Katarn who himself spent much of his adult life unaware of his own Force talents? Compared to someone trained in the Sith arts pretty much from infancy and trained to kill Jedi?
It doesn't matter if Maul'a training is less well rounded when he excels at the very thing being debated here.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You're trying to tell me that Jaden is better because he has a more well rounded non saber education and he has a new body of unknown quality compared to the one he had in JA, and he is trained by Kyle Katarn who himself spent much of his adult life unaware of his own Force talents? Compared to someone trained in the Sith arts pretty much from infancy and trained to kill Jedi?It doesn't matter if Maul'a training is less well rounded when he excels at the very thing being debated here.
Again, your confusing Maul's wow factor with his actual ability.
He was gifted but he limited himself, Kor has been a Jedi longer than Maul has lived so it's basically a Master fighting an Apprentice on this one.
A master with a 30 year olds body and a 45 year old Jedi Master's mind, and Jedi Master that's been fighting the Sith forever, pratically since day 1 of his inviolvement with this Jedi thing.
So, the guy also knows some other things about lightsabers that Maul doesn't. Read up on him.
Originally posted by Petrus
You're still trying to argue something with him? Give up already, Moosey.
Especially when he needs to limit Kor to make Maul win, yeah he should give up.
Edit: Also I can't believe your statements on Katarn, Katarn was not ESB Luke. He was like Mara, he had been using the force from his teens he just didn't know how to tap it like a Jedi. He was already actively using pre cog and other abilities.
He was also a primed martial artist and already a gifted fencer/swordsman trained by his father Morgan Katarn. So being force sensitive only made his hard worn skills more powerful and focused.
C'mon Katarn is a better and more naturally gifted warrior than Palpatine too.
I don't understand how you can make these semantic titles like "well rounded" and "natural warrior", disqualify established duelists with valid wins to their name, and then somehow prop up Korr by virtue of meeting this odd benchmark only he is capable of making.
Here, let me try: Korr never orchestrated the fall of the Republic and the Jedi, tipped the balance of the Force from a sitting position, and defeated Yoda in combat. Sidious is ten times the fighter Korr is by these new benchmarks.
Also, Maul is a mechanical savant, played by someone who is a natural warrior while Korr is animated by flabby geeks, and he can jumpkick in his showings whereas Jaden couldn't.
This is rather fun.
"To troll or not to troll. Eh, **** it. Troll it is." - Palpatine.
Actually those flubby geeks made the best Jedi action series on Earth, so some respect is in order.
Secondly, source code - Jaden Kor can also drop kick and also punch and kick, if you use mods... 🙄 (What does jump kicking have to do with anything?) Also I can imagine Kor in his travels picking up some shock boxer gloves when prepping for a fight.
We need people who understand that we live in a galaxy of war, we need ultimate bastichs that don't play by the dogmatic prescribed must cut-to-kill rules, we need someone who actually has a clue when it comes to subduing these misguided dark jedi fools. - Jedi Master
Then we need a Kor - Flubby Star Wars geek in Ea circa 2001.
Natural means that even without the force Katarn would be a bastich in a fight, even for a force user. The same cannot be realistically said of Palps though he could still employ technology to even out the odds but Katarn would also be using tech...
So yeah all things being equal Katarn is a natural compared to Palps, and many others besides.
Kor is also a natural but I suspect like Katarn he received training before becoming a Jedi.
Victors! Valiants! Are we not Jeedai?!!! Are we not the custodians of the ideal of the warrior code, on behalf of the will of the living force? Then what are we afraid of? What has made us turn into the very thing we have fought against for all these years? Cult of personality? Are we not all meant to be luminaries???!!!
Don't look to me, look to yourselves for direction, look to the force for your sustenance. - New Jeedai warrior credo before battle.