Jaden Korr Vs Darth Maul

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
1. Substantiate "master of the art of war". Sun Tzu and Clausewitz are masters too, and Maul would eat them alive.

2. Moral law means jack. Mother Theresa cannot defeat Maul in combat.

He's a warrior too, not Mother Teresa (who was a warrior in her own right))😎

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Maul had much more experience and has better kills under his belt.

Korr is a Jedi Warrior with a good heart so all he needs to do is defeat his opponent, he doesn't need kills on his conscience.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Quantify Jaden's skill using an actual source and not your own grandiose generalizations.

Jedi Academy - Source 1 anyone who played it extensively knows the variety of the ataru, shien and soresu aspects, you even had juyo with dark rage powered up.

His Jar Kai was open and expansive, his staff fighting effective but non too elaborate. He never limited himself, why would he - he came into the fold during a Galactic Civil War. Maul limited himself basically.

The novels

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
1. Obi-Wan, as of RotS, has fought more Dark Jedi and Sith of note. This seems kinda bizarre to even have to bring up to you.

Of note - good amendment there but he didn't beat them, he didn't persecute them because Obi Wan uses the force to a lesser extent than Korr does.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
2. Anoon Bondara was the premier Jedi swordsman before Cin Drallig, possibly the previous Battlemaster given the year he died Cin gained the position, and virtually peerless except for the likes of Mace and Yoda, and that's about it. Basically, the only two people who could consistently beat him could take on Maul's master. Maul's skill was so evident Anoon knew he couldn't win and had to try to sacrifice himself in a desperate chance to kill the Sith Lord.

We all know about Anoon, doesn't change much of anything does it, since Rosh Penin was also a battle master and Kor was deadlier than Penin. So being the best skilled swordmaster doesn't make you the most complete swordmaster, nor the grandest and vice versa.

That's why I prefer to look at intangibles, decision making in their lives and in their fights and ultimately Korr is better than Maul - Jedi Holocron 😎

You're really bad at debating.

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Stick to the things you know and all will be good

This is a free for all, welcome to the New Jedi Order, I will be your sparring partner for this evenings contest, the names Kor and I'm not a respecter of persons - Jedi Master Jaden Korr before a sparring match with a fellow force adept.

And here comes the really bad trolling because Maul beats Jaden.

You guys need to set up scenarios - what does each combatant bring to the table, we all know these are skilled.

So you need to stop using arguments like so and so is more skilled as the be all end all. Save it for Maul vs Brakiss, his fighting a guy with a track record of getting the job done against powers, so save it.

It can't be about power because Maul would lose on those grounds - his TCW version is even more vulnerable to the force so... bringing up a crippled Maul is pointless.

So what else, this isn't 1999, this isn't some tiring Jinn in the duel of the fates. This is a prime loco of the NJO, patronize him and he patronizes you.

You don't script the fight, you look at both combatants and what they've done.

Clone Wars Maul is better than TPM Maul.

Clone Wars Maul is better than Jaden.

AGGH!

Clone Wars Maul>TPM Maul, better feats.

TCW Maul is a revenant, quite sad actually. Not fully himself.

Ask yourself this question would any of you have wanted to be in Maul's shoes during the clone wars?
No?!
Then neither would any Jedi. - Anonymous Jedi to his peers on Yavin 4

That has got NOTHING. NOTHING to do with the fight.

TCW Maul = Peak Maul.

Peak Maul > Jaden.

You have your opinions I got mine.

Kor is past Maul, different league.

Originally posted by Allankles
He's a warrior too, not Mother Teresa (who was a warrior in her own right))😎

The point was those "virtues" don't effect the fight at all any more than Revan being a "master strategist and charismatic person" would effect his battle against say, Vitiate or Malak.

Unrelated and contextless virtues don't do anything as people don't win versus battles by virtue of being likable/moral/etc.

Korr is a Jedi Warrior with a good heart so all he needs to do is [B]defeat his opponent, he doesn't need kills on his conscience.[/b]

And Maul is a passionless killing machine who has perfected multiple lightsaber forms to culminate in mastery of Juyo, solo'd Black Sun which was the most dangerous non-Force using body of criminals known, defeated three prestigious saber duelists (Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Anoon), and even tagged Sidious in a mock duel.

What's your point? That Maul wins? I thought so.

Jedi Academy - Source 1 anyone who played it extensively knows the variety of the ataru, shien and soresu aspects, you even had juyo with dark rage powered up.

No, you don't. For one thing, the forms in JA are limited to three and they do not correspond with the older forms because those were lost to time. Your dishonesty in asserting this makes me not respect your intentions in this debate.

His Jar Kai was open and expansive, his staff fighting effective but non too elaborate. He never limited himself, why would he - he came into the fold during a Galactic Civil War. Maul limited himself basically.

1. Since when did Jaden canonically use a saber staff?

2. What canon source states that Maul limited himself?

Of note - good amendment there but he didn't beat them, he didn't persecute them because Obi Wan uses the force to a [B]lesser extent than Korr does.[/b]

This is ultimately a red herring. Obi-Wan != Maul.

We all know about Anoon

I doubt you really do.

, doesn't change much of anything does it, since Rosh Penin was also a battle master

Fledgling Penin? LMAO! ALL HAIL THE BATTLEMASTER ROSH!

and Kor was deadlier than Penin.

Penin was a moron and a newbie. So this proves nothing. Your bias is overwhelming, like staring into the sun.

So being the best skilled swordmaster doesn't make you the most complete swordmaster, nor the grandest and vice versa.

This is semantic bullshit and irrelevant to the discussion.

That's why I prefer to look at intangibles, decision making in their lives and in their fights and ultimately [B]Korr is better than Maul - Jedi Holocron 😎 [/B]

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The point was those "virtues" don't effect the fight at all any more than Revan being a "master strategist and charismatic person" would effect his battle against say, Vitiate or Malak.

Unrelated and contextless virtues don't do anything as people don't win versus battles by virtue of being likable/moral/etc.

And Maul is a passionless killing machine who has perfected multiple lightsaber forms to culminate in mastery of Juyo, solo'd Black Sun which was the most dangerous non-Force using body of criminals known, defeated three prestigious saber duelists (Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Anoon), and even tagged Sidious in a mock duel.

What's your point? That Maul wins? I thought so.

No, you don't. For one thing, the forms in JA are limited to three and they do not correspond with the older forms because those were lost to time. Your dishonesty in asserting this makes me not respect your intentions in this debate.

1. Since when did Jaden canonically use a saber staff?

2. What canon source states that Maul limited himself?

This is ultimately a red herring. Obi-Wan != Maul.

I doubt you really do.

Fledgling Penin? LMAO! ALL HAIL THE BATTLEMASTER ROSH!

Penin was a moron and a newbie. So this proves nothing. Your bias is overwhelming, like staring into the sun.

This is semantic bullshit and irrelevant to the discussion.

"Taggin" Sidious, Kor would have beat him outright - Jedi Holocron

Penin as a youngin was a moron, he obviously did some growing up, as did Star Wars, and the force and the Jedi.

Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
You're really bad at debating.

No dude. Jaden doesn't beat Maul, and would never be able to scratch Sidious.

Why wouldn't Jaden know how to use a staff anyway, the first time the universe ever sees him he is able to use a staff. Why would a two blade carrying Jedi not know how to use a staff, this doesn't make him special - I'm trying to tell you skill is not the deciding factor in this match.

Maul is an excellent timer but Kor will make him retreat on their first meeting, guaranteed.

Originally posted by Allankles
Why wouldn't Jaden know how to use a staff anyway, the first time the universe ever sees him he is able to use a staff. Why would a two blade carrying Jedi not know how to use a staff, this doesn't make him special - I'm trying to tell you skill is not the deciding factor in this match.

Maul is an excellent timer but Kor will make him retreat on their first meeting, guaranteed.

1. The different saber usage/appearance is a gameplay mechanic, and doesn't reflect the later novels featuring the 'canon' Korr. Korr could be a twi-lek or alien or Exar Kun modded skin in the game, with a purple and orange saber or a green saber staff, or thermal detonators. Learn to differentiate between gameplay choice and canon choice.

2. bi·as
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prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.

^ This is you. Reform.

Eeh! The gameplay just indicated how Kor interacted with the universe as a fighter at that time, nothing from there was supposed to be taken away by so called canon.

You're not supposed to take away from the prime canon source.
Further, for a Jedi like him who is used to being in the wars, learning multiple saber styles is natural, not all together special, actually expected. Since there are actually fewer Jedi in his era, it would also be prudent to learn different forms which was already suggested that he did in his first year 🙁

If by forms you means Luke's Weak/Medium/Strong styles...

Then he's lost. Maul knows the ORIGINAL forms of saber combat, and is very much proficient in Juyo.

EeH! The old forms are known by Luke's schools... if you didn't know.
And weak, medium, strong is just another way of evolving the saber forms, its not a step back but a step forward trying to find a balance.