Originally posted by pym-ftw
Do you honestly not know the term or are you being snide because you can't retort?
You can't be serious.
Your point about Dr. Fate's invulnerability is moot as the character in question is a combination of both Dr. Fate and Inza. His powers are augmented to a degree that a comparison to his base level doesn't provide any real insight to the matchup.
There have been scans posted that answer every question you've asked and refute every argument you've made and still you persist.
Lords of Order/Lords of Chaos> Surtur
Lords of Order/Lords of Chaos> Ymir
Lords of Order/Lords of Chaos> Seth
Dr.Fate+Inza has access to power that trumps Odin's.
Is this enough of a retort?
Originally posted by pym-ftw
I honestly believe if they stand apart and just blast each other its a wash, but Odin is painfully obviously above elite physically and eventually it will factor in. We can make assumptions that the merger will grant Fate additional undisplayed power but again it really will just end in constant spamming of platitudes.I'm not saying Fate can't win, but I wouldn't bet on the guy with the (relative) glass jaw.
uhuh
^ Spectre > Fate, no doubt.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I'd rather stick to the canon which clearly states that Odin has never defeated a character of the magnitude of Dr.Fate/Inza.You are free to show me where he has though.
....Clearly states? heh..... Anyway, reading this thread, you're very confident that Fate's got this. Let's consider this now, shall we:
Or, JLA v1 #148, one of the Demons three mindrapes Fate:
http://i.imgur.com/TbM4zty.jpg
...later on:
http://i.imgur.com/d0cpox6.jpg
....in an old JiM issue, Odin, stops time, mind-controls the entire human race, and teleports them outside Reality-616, with a gesture:
http://i.imgur.com/jlpnPJi.jpg
Just something to think about.
--- Moving on to Fate's powers being outright ineffective:
More Fun Comics #69, Fate is completely helpless against someone who's intangible/non-physical:
http://i.imgur.com/PZsn0Y6.jpg?1
In the end he only won by destroying the machine (through plot) which rendered intangibility; bio confirmation, that fate couldn't do any physical harm:
http://i.imgur.com/QYbtQ3O.jpg?1
JLA v1 #64, Robots with sand/dust paralyzing guns nullifying fate's magic and paralyzing him:
http://i.imgur.com/ngwBlnD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u6bOa1z.jpg
That's just 2 ways Odin might win this. Ill consider some more later on.
When we consider all things, then we get a different picture. Let's not pretend Fate is this all powerful character you're presenting him to be, he's far far from that.
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here's a recent universal feat from Odin (it's from the Everything Burns arc)
Surtur contained the "fires of creation" which can unmake the entire universe:
http://i.imgur.com/iTZwA7h.jpg?1
And when those energies are unleashed, Odin casually takes control of them and gets rid of them:
http://i.imgur.com/tSd0YWS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ta4Sfgp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9ogQ9oA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YkFYejT.jpg
Not sure how you even think that Odin is not on Fate's level......seriously. If anything, it's the other way around.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Fate was an energy being, who can amp his durability AND strength to Superman levels. He's is NOT a glass jaw. And he went head to head against the Spectre.
Spectre > Fate........Spectre was portrayed as a bit weak anyways, in that All Star Squadron story, he got restrained by Kulak's servants....
I can say, for instance that in all star Squadron #4, Spectre says that fate's power (at full power) is nearly as powerful as him:
Originally posted by operator616
^ Spectre > Fate, no doubt.....Clearly states? heh..... Anyway, reading this thread, you're very confident that Fate's got this. Let's consider this now, shall we:
Or, JLA v1 #148, one of the Demons three mindrapes Fate:
http://i.imgur.com/TbM4zty.jpg
...later on:
http://i.imgur.com/d0cpox6.jpg....in an old JiM issue, Odin, stops time, mind-controls the entire human race, and teleports them outside Reality-616, [B]with a gesture
:http://i.imgur.com/jlpnPJi.jpg
Just something to think about.
--- Moving on to Fate's powers being outright ineffective:
More Fun Comics #69, Fate is completely helpless against someone who's intangible/non-physical:http://i.imgur.com/PZsn0Y6.jpg?1
In the end he only won by destroying the machine (through plot) which rendered intangibility; bio confirmation, that fate couldn't do any physical harm:
http://i.imgur.com/QYbtQ3O.jpg?1
JLA v1 #64, Robots with sand/dust paralyzing guns nullifying fate's magic and paralyzing him:
http://i.imgur.com/ngwBlnD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u6bOa1z.jpgThat's just 2 ways Odin might win this. Ill consider some more later on.
When we consider all things, then we get a different picture. Let's not pretend Fate is this all powerful character you're presenting him to be, he's far far from that.
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here's a recent universal feat from Odin (it's from the Everything Burns arc)
Surtur contained the "fires of creation" which can unmake the entire universe:
http://i.imgur.com/iTZwA7h.jpg?1
And when those energies are unleashed, Odin casually takes control of them and gets rid of them:
http://i.imgur.com/tSd0YWS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ta4Sfgp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9ogQ9oA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YkFYejT.jpgNot sure how you even think that Odin is not on Fate's level......seriously. If anything, it's the other way around.
Spectre > Fate........Spectre was portrayed as a bit weak anyways, in that All Star Squadron story, he got restrained by Kulak's servants....
I can say, for instance that in all star Squadron #4, Spectre says that fate's power (at full power) is nearly as powerful as him:
^ im well aware that Odin has low showings (everyone with a vast amount of appearances, does), it's just that some people here (like LoB) are presenting Fate as an all-powerful character (which he's far from), is all. He was also saying that Odin never beat a character of Fate's magnitude (which he did), when Fate himself has been beaten/proved ineffective by lower beings.
Originally posted by operator616
^ im well aware that Odin has low showings (everyone with a vast amount of appearances, does), it's just that some people here (like LoB) are presenting Fate as an all-powerful character (which he's far from), is all. He was also saying that Odin never beat a character of Fate's magnitude (which he did), when Fate himself has been beaten/proved ineffective by lower beings.
Spectre still said Fate was nearly, which is still uber, IMO. Didn't Fate have a spell that shattered a universe?
Originally posted by operator616
^ im well aware that Odin has low showings (everyone with a vast amount of appearances, does), it's just that some people here (like LoB) are presenting Fate as an all-powerful character (which he's far from), is all. He was also saying that Odin never beat a character of Fate's magnitude (which he did), when Fate himself has been beaten/proved ineffective by lower beings.
srug
Originally posted by operator616
^ im well aware that Odin has low showings (everyone with a vast amount of appearances, does), it's just that some people here (like LoB) are presenting Fate as an all-powerful character (which he's far from), is all. He was also saying that Odin never beat a character of Fate's magnitude (which he did), when Fate himself has been beaten/proved ineffective by lower beings.
None of your scans involve this Dr. Fate.
Dr.Fate+Inza.
^ you didn't seem any trouble accepting Beatbok's scans, some of which "don't involve this Fate".
Originally posted by Golgo13
Spectre still said Fate was nearly, which is still uber, IMO. Didn't Fate have a spell that shattered a universe?
Yeah, my main point is that Spectre > fate. i think we both agree with that.
Eric-Fate. It was a shared feat.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Alright, we both know its a futile endeavor at best to compare showings from such variable characters like Fate and Odin.
When dealing with Classic characters, some people must be reminded of the limitations.
I mean, ive seen people believe that classic Strange was LT level based on the out-of context interpretation of his encounter with LT back in the 60s. I assure you, that by posting only high showings for Fate, some people will start thinking that he's an uber cosmic being
Originally posted by operator616
When dealing with Classic characters, some people must be reminded of the limitations.I mean, ive seen people believe that classic Strange was LT level based on the out-of context interpretation of his encounter with LT back in the 60s. I assure you, that by posting only high showings for Fate, some people will start thinking that he's an uber cosmic being
Originally posted by operator616
^ im well aware that Odin has low showings (everyone with a vast amount of appearances, does), it's just that some people here (like LoB) are presenting Fate as an all-powerful character (which he's far from), is all. He was also saying that Odin never beat a character of Fate's magnitude (which he did), when Fate himself has been beaten/proved ineffective by lower beings.
I get that you're not really interested but I'd just like to note that Masterson simply knocked over Odin who was actually Loki in his noticeably weakened body:
http://s16.postimg.org/wy9w3oyrp/Thor455_13.jpg
http://s16.postimg.org/3xa5813ph/Thor455_14.jpg
I'd also like to note even an issue later after Odin is taken out by the "earthquake" (Some all-powerful God Jewel let out a powerful sonic vibration that took everyone out), he notes that his full strength has yet to return:
Just to add some context to these claims. While, it's true that Conway's Odin wasn't the all-powerful Cosmic entity that Lee/Kirby wrote about before, his overall power depiction was still superior to a lot of stories that Fate was in. Even when you take into account ants with lasers.
