Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Originally posted by Nephthys
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It's pretty ballsy to have him murdered by his own son though.

"Ballsy" implies performing an action in spite of possible negative consequences. People might not have seen what happened coming with Han, but there was never any possibility that people were going to ****ing riot or give the film a shit review en masse for it.

I would consider

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Luke only being in the movie for 30 seconds, and at the very end of it

I kind of thought that it was obvious that it was ballsy because of bigots. Like, no shit? That's kind of the whole point? Also I assume by "normal people" you must mean "white dudes" because I've been seeing a lot of women responding positively to Rey and a lot of people excited about the diversity. So not really just SJW's.

Having female or black leads isn't ballsy or interesting anymore.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
No. The prequels were legitimately bad in almost every way.

1) Horrible acting across the board (a few exceptions)
2) Awful, unbelievably bad dialog/script
3) Horrid, awful cgi and way too much of it

Holy Crap. None of that's a fact. Who are you to make your opinion fact?

1) The main Protaganist and Antagonist (Ewan McGregor and Ian Mcdiarmid) were frogging great and made their characters extremely popular. That's hardly across the board.

2) From certain characters in certain scenes. Not the whole damn script. Again Kenobi, Palpatine, Sidious had some great lines.

3) TPM was leap special effects technology leaps and bounds. It's honestly a joke that film didn't win the Oscar for special effects.

Nothing you've said is a fact. Just your opinion. The only "facts" are that The Prequels sold extremely well, not only in Theatres but on Dvd and Blu- Ray's in Merchandise in Spin Off Cartoons. In literally every way.

And given the hype for TFA before anyone knew anything about it, it's clear the Prequels never devalued the SW franchise, and perhaps even enhanced it.

I think the problem was this movie was "overhyped". And I mean EXTREMELY overhyped.

Numerous product/service/celebrity placements and local ads around the world were promoting this movie to insane levels. There's overhype. This was out-of-control hype. Thus, the end result was it failed to live up to the out-of-control hype it generated.

The Prequels are almost objectively terrible. Its ok that you like them Thor, but they really are just absolutely terrible movies.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Why?

"Ballsy" implies performing an action in spite of possible negative consequences. People might not have seen what happened coming with Han, but there was never any possibility that people were going to ****ing riot or give the film a shit review en masse for it.

I would consider

Spoiler:
Luke only being in the movie for 30 seconds, and at the very end of it

to be a better example of something that's bally.

By normal people I mean the type of people who look at something like a female lead or a black Heimdall, think "huh, that's cool" and move on with their lives without sending death threats to the film makers or spazzing endlessly about it on tumblr.

Because

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people ****ing love Han Solo. And having him get killed in such a tragic, horrible way took balls to do. It's like how they killed off Spock in ST II, theres not much possibility of big negative backlash, but to take such an iconic character and kill them off is a creative decision that takes guts to attempt to pull off. If they did it poorly, you better believe people would give ****ing pissed. Look at Kirks death, it was terrible and makes ST fans hate that shitty movie way more than if it was just a shitty movie.

Yeah, I was going to mention that to Tempest but then I couldn't be bothered to edit.

Well as a white man, I'm sure your opinion is totally representative of minorities and women everywhere. Thanks for the heads up that this shit isn't worth being excited about, bro.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Prequels are almost objectively terrible. Its ok that you like them Thor, but they really are just absolutely terrible movies.

I thought 'Attack Of The Clones' was the best Star Wars movie made.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Because

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people ****ing love Han Solo. And having him get killed in such a tragic, horrible way took balls to do. It's like how they killed off Spock in ST II, theres not much possibility of big negative backlash, but to take such an iconic character and kill them off is a creative decision that takes guts to attempt to pull off. If they did it poorly, you better believe people would give ****ing pissed. Look at Kirks death, it was terrible and makes ST fans hate that shitty movie way more than if it was just a shitty movie.

Yeah, I was going to mention that to Tempest but then I couldn't be bothered to edit.

[QUOTE=15529967]Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]The Prequels are almost objectively terrible. Its ok that you like them Thor, but they really are just absolutely terrible movies.

Because

Spoiler:
people ****ing love Han Solo. And having him get killed in such a tragic, horrible way took balls to do. It's like how they killed off Spock in ST II, theres not much possibility of big negative backlash, but to take such an iconic character and kill them off is a creative decision that takes guts to attempt to pull off. If they did it poorly, you better believe people would give ****ing pissed. Look at Kirks death, it was terrible and makes ST fans hate that shitty movie way more than if it was just a shitty movie.

Yeah, I was going to mention that to Tempest but then I couldn't be bothered to edit.

Well as a white man, I'm sure your opinion is totally representative of minorities and women everywhere. Thanks for the heads up that this shit isn't worth being excited about, bro.

Well as a white man, I'm sure your opinion is totally representative of minorities and women everywhere. Thanks for the heads up that this shit isn't worth being excited about, bro.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If there's no negative backlash then how is it "ballsy" or "gutsy"?

What?

Because it could have had a ton of backlash.

Shit, I thought I remembered that either you or Nemebro were black so I took a gamble on it being him.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Well as a white man, I'm sure your opinion is totally representative of minorities and women everywhere. Thanks for the heads up that this shit isn't worth being excited about, bro.

The way your sentence is structured doesn't really say that, but the context seems to imply it.

I see. haermm

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because it could have had a ton of backlash.

Shit, I thought I remembered that either you or Nemebro were black so I took a gamble on it being him.

And that's a "her" for your information, Neph. CIS****ing shitlord.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
1) The main Protaganist and Antagonist (Ewan McGregor and Ian Mcdiarmid) were frogging great and made their characters extremely popular. That's hardly across the board.
2) From certain characters in certain scenes. Not the whole damn script. Again Kenobi, Palpatine, Sidious had some great lines.
3) TPM was leap special effects technology leaps and bounds. It's honestly a joke that film didn't win the Oscar for special effects.
Nothing you've said is a fact. Just your opinion. The only "facts" are that The Prequels sold extremely well, not only in Theatres but on Dvd and Blu- Ray's in Merchandise in Spin Off Cartoons. In literally every way.
And given the hype for TFA before anyone knew anything about it, it's clear the Prequels never devalued the SW franchise, and perhaps even enhanced it.

The cgi was pretty bad and there was too much of it. It also impacted the performances, with actors struggling to react to green screen effects.

A large part of the prequels sucking imo is that the direction was terrible. There was lots of flat, uninspired shots, bad scene composition and a noticeable lack of energy. There's also stuff like TPM having 4 concurrent plotlines in the finale that make it hard for the audience to stay invested that reek of the fact that Lucas popped the thing out in one draft.

To much political agenda in this movie.

It always amuses the shit out of me when people on the internet think they've patented some sort of formula for "objective" criticism of art.

Tzeench
A common criticism of Anakin's character in the PT is that his relatively late introduction as a Jedi in the franchise meant that we didn't get to really see his personality change. He was a fairly normal happy-go-lucky child in the first film, a fairly normal whiny and entitled teenager in the first half of the 2nd film and then suddenly he was murdering people, but even that wasn't a really a good indicator of his instability because his murder-spree was revenge for the death of his mother. The audience might not advocate the act, but we're sympathetic to it. It isn't until the third film that we actually start to see him unhinged, and it's rather jarring when he goes from being the Anakin that we've seen for the last two films, to wiping out children in cold blood and choking out his pregnant wife.

I disagree. While I readily concede that there's a noticeable difference between little Annie of Episode I and young adult Anakin of Episode II, that's more attributable to 10 in-universe years and the span between adolescence and adulthood than inconsistent writing. Most people change considerably if not irrevocably between ages 9 and 19. That said, the foundation goes all the way back to TPM. Episode I introduces us to a young, affable Anakin plagued by a profound sense of attachment. Episode II reacquaints us with the character a decade later, just as well-meaning as before, but who is now additionally plagued by hormones and an arrogance that derives from his prodigious abilities {Obi-Wan even lampshades it with Yoda and Mace in Episode II}. Episode III depicts Anakin a bit hardened from years of warfare. He's not quite as brazenly impetuous as before {no doubt due to his humbling by Dooku and the general shittiness of the conflict} and like lots of hard things, he's starting to crack. He smiles less, broods more, and is generally burdened.

Each Episode introduces a new layer in a logical progression and the previous layers are still present, but tweaked just a bit to conform to the new circumstances Anakin endures in each movie. Ultimately, Anakin in ROTS is the culmination of traits and attributes that were introduced in the previous films. He's very much a dynamic character and his arc is logical.

The only other thing I'll say is that while his "fall" is "quick," it's nothing new for Star Wars. A quick, inexplicable "fall" into darkness would be Harvey Dent's spiral into batshitdom in TDK. Harvey Dent wasn't being affected by the dark side of the Force. Way back in the original trilogy, the dark side was very much introduced as a spiritually and physically corruptive force beyond mere chemical imbalance or "insanity" as we define it. Remember: the Emperor's master plan for corrupting Luke was just pissing him off really badly and letting the dark side do the rest.

Even then, it's worth noting that when Anakin slaughters the Jedi, the younglings, and even the Separatists... he doesn't enjoy a second of it. We see him visibly distraught on Mustafar.

Tl;dr: it makes sense to me.

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Kylo's arc might get more compelling, but I don't see anything that makes it remotely better than Anakin's.

This rampant hatred of the prequels irks me so I feel my review may be needed especially since I just got back from my second showing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This rampant hatred of the prequels irks me so I feel my review may be needed especially since I just got back from my second showing.

Can't wait to take my nephews to this. They're going to freak out.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Can't wait to take my nephews to this. They're going to freak out.

Saw this movie.

8 out of 10. May be the weakest Star Wars to date. Still enjoyed it very very much. Just was missing something. That certain charm that the previous 6 films had (probably George Lucas' touch).

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Acting was definitely better in this film than any of the other 6. 🙂

I may watch it again. It feels like my score will improve after a second viewing. Sometimes, I was thinking that this was the best Star Wars yet. Other times, it felt like a very very expensive fan-film.

None of the villains felt villain-ish. There were no sense of "oh, shit, this is the bad guy." Weak villains may be what I can't put my finger on. maybe if they made the Sith Lord dude (Supreme Pizza Leader) have just 2 very short lines that were dark and foreboding AND he remained in the shadows, then perhaps we may have a better villain? Also, Kylo Ren should have been more badass. He wasn't anywhere near the overwhelming and imposing figure he should have been. He doesn't come close to Vader. He felt more like the whiny Luke Skywalker from the OT than Vader from the OT.

Also, HAAAAAAAAN! Han died, bro! 🙁

The Saber Duels were such weak sauce. After the amazing fencing choreography from the prequel trilogy, I expected something just near or on par with that. Nope. RotJ had better saber duels!

Also, I thought it was lame that Fin and Rey could go toe-to-toe with a moderately trained force user. There should be no comparison, by miles, between a force user that was trained for years and a non-force use. Keep in mind, younglings started at the jedi academy from very young ages. Around 4? In the vision Rey had of Kylo rising up against Luke, he was a grown man, already wearing his stuff. That strongly implies that he was training under Luke for years, by that point. And here he is, getting his ass handed to him but Rey. With Maul being defeated by Obi Wan, at least we know that it was due to Maul dicking around against one of the best Padawan's, ever. There was an explanation for the CIS from Maul. Made sense. And we, as an audience, were just as shocked to see him cut in half by Obi Wan. Okay, moving on.

CGI was pretty dang good. Sound was amazing. Sometimes, I was thinking that the sound effects were better than the previous 6 films. Felt like they stepped it up a notch. Music was excellent, obviously. Creatures were decent to good. Choreography was great. Story was bland but entertaining. Character development seemed...really really good and sometimes bad. The relationship between Rey and Fin seemed very forced. They knew each other for mere hours an they already wanted to stay together? They could have easily explained away, in just one sentence, why they may be falling in love. Something like, "we've spent 2 weeks together" or something like that. Something to indicate they spent more time with each other than just a few hours.

The humor was great. Definitely the best humor of any of the Star Wars films, by far. None of the others come close.

The Super Death Star (my name) was really firiggin' cool. But lame as hell that it was destroyed. Why oh why did the Empire not learn about shaft and power weaknesses? I think the film would have been better had the Super Star Destroyed not been destroyed. Also, perhaps the first film should have had a crushing defeat against the Resistance?

Also, it seemed convoluted that the Resistance was not called the rebels? Was it a re-branding effort? Maybe they didn't like being called rebels? Poe, the new Wedge Antilles (who was the new Anakin Skywalker...seems each generation has their ace pilot), is pretty cool. I want to see more of him. I wanted to see more of him in the film. he should have had a bigger role other than shitting himself from the storm troopers massacring the desert village. Also, who was the old dude? I didn't google it. But he is supposed to be someone we know...but I don't know him. I never heard his name.

Okay, talk to me about my review. Maybe I missed stuff or have a wrong opinion.