Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Started by Darth Thor260 pages
Darth Thor Senior Member

I hope Luke's the one who gave Snoke his scars. That'd be Awesome.

ares834 Senior Member

It would also explain why he is so afraid of Luke's return.

playa1258 Fear is the mind killer

It was obvious he was scared of Luke.

AsbestosFlaygon The Original One

Luke's lightsaber from RoTJ was green. Why does it have a different color now?

Ushgarak Paladin

It's not that sabre- it's his original that Anakin used and that Luke lost on Bespin.

queeq Chaos

Pay attention. 😉

Some heated debate about our new baddie. I thought I'd just drop in another two cents.

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Okay, so on the first viewing I wasn't e entirely sold on Rey beating Kylo. But on the second viewing I was alright with it. Yes, Kylo was wounded, twice... and most of the fight he WAS winning. Look at the many yards he drives Rey back. However, despite the fact that he was wounded, one thing we shouldn't forget: Kylo clearly has no control. And Rey does in fact. Already.

I certainly hope that
A) Rey is not related to Skywalker
B) That she was not trained as a little girl (that would cause so many stupid questions: If Snoke or Kylo took her parents, why did she leave them alive? They all know what happened with the other Force sensitive child that was left behind on a desert planet. And if she did have training: why doesn't she remember? It would need an awful lot of awkward explaining.

I'll just be accepting at thins moment that the Force guides her. If she's stronger than Luke, I dunno. I see no need for that. But she does need guidance, just like Luke needed guidance. But he always had a guide in the sidelines waiting to step in. Rey did not. QGJ didn't have anyone with a map telling him were he could find Anakin, the Force guided him. All you need is a bit of suspension of disbelief. And to like SW you need a lot of that, anyway. 😉

AsbestosFlaygon The Original One
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What's wrong if she was a Skywalker, and becomes stronger than Luke? I don't see anything wrong with those.
Darth Thor Senior Member

I think if she's

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the daughter of Luke or Han
either one makes no sense because she knew them both
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by name
but didn't know that either of those names was the name of her
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Father
.

Something doesn't sound right with the whole thing.

The main assumption is

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her Father being Luke
simply because of her
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Power.

CPT Space Bomb Emperor Doom

So, apparently Angry Joe had a video posted from Disney Infinity where

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Kylo Ren yells "Face me cousin!" to Rey..... Disney reached out to Angry Joe to have him remove the video. Sounds like the "She's Luke's daughter" theory is getting stronger by the day.

Quincy Debaser

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I think if she's
Spoiler:
the daughter of Luke or Han
either one makes no sense because she knew them both
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by name
but didn't know that either of those names was the name of her
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Father
.

Something doesn't sound right with the whole thing.

The main assumption is

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her Father being Luke
simply because of her
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Power.

Maybe some kind of mind wipe

Darth Thor Senior Member
Originally posted by Quincy
Maybe some kind of mind wipe

That's the only thing which would explain that plus

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her prowess in the force without training tbh.

Quincy Debaser
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
So, apparently Angry Joe had a video posted from Disney Infinity where
Spoiler:
Kylo Ren yells "Face me cousin!" to Rey..... Disney reached out to Angry Joe to have him remove the video. Sounds like the "She's Luke's daughter" theory is getting stronger by the day.

I just watched it. Sounds like he's saying one thing but as he's hit or knocked back he says something else. More like "curses"

Plus wtf how would that be spoiled through disney infinity? That's bizarre

Quincy Debaser

I don't know, I think a lot of people are mad because they believe she should have more like, force practice. But the force isn't a muscle you work out. You don't have to do force push-ups. The force is a guiding hand. It's not a physical tool to use - that's dark side thinking.

That's why Yoda tells Luke it doesn't matter how big an X-Wing is. If you can lift a rock you can lift an X-Wing. Size literally doesn't matter. You either do it, or you do not do it.

That would be as if folks were upset that Luke was able to force control push telekinetically those cannon shots he fired into the Death Stars weakness in ANH. He didn't do anything WITH the force. He felt the force and allowed it to guide him.

CPT Space Bomb Emperor Doom

Originally posted by Quincy
I don't know, I think a lot of people are mad because they believe she should have more like, force practice. But the force isn't a muscle you work out. You don't have to do force push-ups. The force is a guiding hand. It's not a physical tool to use - that's dark side thinking.

That's why Yoda tells Luke it doesn't matter how big an X-Wing is. If you can lift a rock you can lift an X-Wing. Size literally doesn't matter. You either do it, or you do not do it.

That would be as if folks were upset that Luke was able to force control push telekinetically those cannon shots he fired into the Death Stars weakness in ANH. He didn't do anything WITH the force. He felt the force and allowed it to guide him.

Correct. You don't need training in the force to do things. It certainly helps make you more proficient. But as I said, boy Anakin was able to do things no adult human could ever do because of the force. He had no training.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Darth Thor
The main assumption is
Spoiler:
her Father being Luke
simply because of her
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Power.

Or because of her interactions with the Lightsaber that had belonged to Luke and Anakin; as well as her "mysterious past." It wouldn't be more obvious if Luke blinked at Rey at the end of the movie.

Which is sad, because what Star Wars needed isn't another "I am your father" moment, and we certainly didn't need more of the Skywalkers.

CPT Space Bomb Emperor Doom

Originally posted by Astner
Or because of her interactions with the Lightsaber that had belonged to Luke and Anakin; as well as her "mysterious past." It wouldn't be more obvious if Luke blinked at Rey at the end of the movie.

Which is sad, because what Star Wars needed isn't another "I am your father" moment, and we certainly didn't need more of the Skywalkers.

I disagree. Even George Lucas wanted to know what happened to Darth Vader's children/ grand children. The main reason I was excited for the movies going forward was finding out what happened with Luke, Leia, Han etc. This series is at least going to give us some of that. If you don't like it that sucks for you though....dunno what to tell you.

Darth Thor Senior Member

If she's

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Luke's daughter
it would have been better to reveal it in this movie, instead of hinting it so heavily now, but leaving the reveal for another movie.

Originally posted by Quincy
I don't know, I think a lot of people are mad because they believe she should have more like, force practice. But the force isn't a muscle you work out. You don't have to do force push-ups. The force is a guiding hand. It's not a physical tool to use - that's dark side thinking.

That's why Yoda tells Luke it doesn't matter how big an X-Wing is. If you can lift a rock you can lift an X-Wing. Size literally doesn't matter. You either do it, or you do not do it.

That would be as if folks were upset that Luke was able to force control push telekinetically those cannon shots he fired into the Death Stars weakness in ANH. He didn't do anything WITH the force. He felt the force and allowed it to guide him.

Respectfully disagree.

Already stated my reasons earlier in this thread. But basically natural usage of the Force like Anakin did in TPM before meeting Qui-Gon (but hadn't actually finished a Podrace at that point) is not the same as doing Advanced telekinesis and mind tricks, which should require extensive training.

Otherwise what's the point in Jedi training, except for fitting into their personal beliefs and way of doing things?

CPT Space Bomb Emperor Doom

Originally posted by Darth Thor
If she's
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Luke's daughter
it would have been better to reveal it in this movie, instead of hinting it so heavily now, but leaving the reveal for another movie.
Why is that better. I don't need that answered for me right away. It's a trilogy.

Already stated my reasons earlier in this thread. But basically natural usage of the Force like Anakin did in TPM before meeting Qui-Gon (but hadn't actually finished a Podrace at that point) is not the same as doing Advanced telekinesis and mind tricks, which should require extensive training.
No, it's actually more impressive. Pod racing, something humans can't even partake in, and being incredibly good at it as well all with requiring no training whatsoever? It's easier to believe Rey could impose her will through the force (jedi mind trick) than it is for Anakin to do something no human in history was able to do with literally no training. You're right, they're different, but Anakin's feat is more impressive.

Bentley Seitei
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
So, apparently Angry Joe had a video posted from Disney Infinity where
Spoiler:
Kylo Ren yells "Face me cousin!" to Rey..... Disney reached out to Angry Joe to have him remove the video. Sounds like the "She's Luke's daughter" theory is getting stronger by the day.

She's

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the daughter of Han's brother
👆

Quincy Debaser

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But basically natural usage of the Force like Anakin did in TPM before meeting Qui-Gon (but hadn't actually finished a Podrace at that point) is not the same as doing Advanced telekinesis and mind tricks, which should require extensive training.

Otherwise what's the point in Jedi training, except for fitting into their personal beliefs and way of doing things? When you say SHOULD require extensive training, I see as "understanding."

I've never seen or read about a Jedi describing different "types" of force. Jedi training isn't just "learn how to force push" school. It's exactly as you've described, the personal beliefs and ways of doing things. Which sounds like a negative indoctrination when worded like that so succinctly, but luckily in this case, the Jedi Knights are a force for good in the universe.

Being trained in the ways of the force allow you to be able to not ABUSE the force. A vast majority of the training involved is to help a force user to deny the lure of the Dark Side. This is why it is particularly hard to train someone who is older.