Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
yes... I have no problem with Rian Johnson and Colin Trevorrow directing ep 8 and ep 9 respectively.. It is a good thing to have someone else put their own stamp on a film in a trilogy,,,, the problem will be is how can Rian Johnson top The Force Awakens...I think Rian Johnson will do a god job with ep 8
I doubt Rian will be like Abrams revisiting certain elements from another movie.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You're overstating that. As Astner points out, Finn and Poe aren't tied down in nostalgia outside of their superficial trappings as a Stormtrooper and X-Wing Pilot. They, along with eventually Rey, represent the future, not the past. And yeah, the film doesn't think all nostalgia is a bad thing. Because it isn't. Obsessive, destructive nostalgia's are shown to be negative while things like Rey and Finn's reverence for the old heroes are positives to be celebrated.Rey's struggle throughout the movie is based around her conflict with the past. She's introduced scavenging from the relics of the past and in her leisure we see that she owns a Rebel pilot helmet like Luke's and a doll resembling him as well. She also keeps track of time like a prisoner would, scratching days on her wall. She strands herself on Jakku willingly in the delusional idea that the past will come back to her and refuses to create a new future by letting go of that. When she experiences her visions she's confronted by scenes from her past that pain her to revisit as well as horrible events tied to the lightsabers history. When Maz forces her to accept that the people from her past aren't coming back she's distraught yet when told to embrace her destiny/future she flees instead. The rest of the movie shows us Rey overcoming this and changing into a hero in her own right. When the First Order attacks, she fights back. When Kylo Ren interrogates her, she turns the tables on her. Instead of reject her Jedi powers, she explores them. Finally she stands against evil as a Jedi Knight. She's successfully moved on and the film ends with her willingly walking towards her destiny. I disagree that she's forced to do anything. She chooses to protect BB-8. She chooses to fight to protect him. She chooses to use the Force. She chooses to go train with Luke. Just like Finn chooses to be a hero and Ren chooses to be a monster. She's not living up to Luke's legacy, the things she does, she does by herself.
During the final confrontation Kylo Ren says two important things: "Han Solo can't save you now" and "It's just us now." The climax of the movie is Kylo Ren and Rey completing their evolution and establishing themselves as the new future. Ren rejects his past as Ben Solo and irrevocably establishes himself as a monstrous force of evil in his own right. He's not playing at being Vader anymore. His mask is off for the fight. It's all on him. And Rey isn't playing at Han Solo or Luke Skywalker. Han Solo is dead and Luke is absent. When she fights Ren she stands there in her own right, finally accepting her own power and destiny without anyone to rely on but herself. The torch has been passed and will continue to be so in Ep 8. The film succeeds (imo) in this aspect. It celebrates the old while highlighting why it's time for something new and skillfully sets up the new characters to take up the mantle.
Like I said, the movie clearly has different opinions about the different kinds of nostalgia. The core of Star Wars is something to be celebrated and the heart and soul of the series was in desperate need of being recaptured. Nostalgia is good. The movie echoes a lot of previous elements because that stuffs (mostly) great! But nostalgia can also be destructive. Pricks ruin everything. Just because the movie is critical of one aspect doesn't mean it extends to the whole concept.
I like how you keep using capital letters for Original and Unorginal. As if they're sacred or something. It's just a funny thing to do I think.
But naw, the film is pretty damn blatant about tying a lot of shit into the theme about the past. It's definitely deliberate.
The difference is that the prequels suck and raped my childhood. TFA was good and cool, actually.
When the concept of a clone war has already been established, it's not a praiseworthy bit of innovation to establish that its a war with clones in it.
What reference? Huh? What am I whinging about?
Originally posted by Nephthys
No.
Last time I made a case for something people thought was bad, you responded like so.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
true, but I do think that Johnson will build upon what Abrams did
He will. Abrams and Kasdan set the guide lines for the sequels.
But Johnson will have to show what he's got. Looper was okay, not very memorable though. Jurassic World was aptly done, with a so-so duplicate script from the original JP.
But if the script is good I am sure he will make it work. He doesn't strike me as a great visionary, but as long as he gets the beats right, the emotions then I'm confident it'll be okay. As long as all the nostalgia is dropped. And if Abrams didn't fall for his Star Trek:ID mistakes: rehashing the past when you've just established a new future.
Originally posted by jaden101
So did Brick which is outstanding. Totally different ball game from big budget sci-fi though.
Not really. At least Looper Was sci-fi/fantasy. And at least it involved special effects, and being inventive with those effects since it was done on a much smaller budget.
Compare that with Marvel who get comedy guys to do their superhero movies. And THAT Works.
The vocal minority can bash JJ all they want, he did what he was asked: Deliver a Mega Hit Star Wars movie. Disney is probably incredibly happy with him. I think Looper was a decent movie until the end, which I thought was total rubbish. One thing I do know, after JJ saw the script for Ep. 8, he said he thought it was mind blowing....so....hopefully that pans out.