Originally posted by Bashar Teg
not to mention "fly" and "51", great episodes as well. he certainly has the ability to pull it off.
I think he's the dramatic, deep content, type of director we need for a solid ESB-esque Star Wars film. Excellent choice.
I think people will say that Episode 8 will be the best Star Wars...if we go off of his other work. Breaking Bad is my favorite TV show. And the episodes he directed are among my favorite. He's hyped up to the max, for me, on Star Wars.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens continues it's assault on movie records. It just passed Iron Man 3 to become the 9th best selling movie world wide. http://deadline.com/2015/12/star-wars-tuesday-overseas-box-office-results-1201674088/
Originally posted by Nephthys
You're overstating that. As Astner points out, Finn and Poe aren't tied down in nostalgia outside of their superficial trappings as a Stormtrooper and X-Wing Pilot. They, along with eventually Rey, represent the future, not the past. And yeah, the film doesn't think all nostalgia is a bad thing. Because it isn't. Obsessive, destructive nostalgia's are shown to be negative while things like Rey and Finn's reverence for the old heroes are positives to be celebrated.Rey's struggle throughout the movie is based around her conflict with the past. She's introduced scavenging from the relics of the past and in her leisure we see that she owns a Rebel pilot helmet like Luke's and a doll resembling him as well. She also keeps track of time like a prisoner would, scratching days on her wall. She strands herself on Jakku willingly in the delusional idea that the past will come back to her and refuses to create a new future by letting go of that. When she experiences her visions she's confronted by scenes from her past that pain her to revisit as well as horrible events tied to the lightsabers history. When Maz forces her to accept that the people from her past aren't coming back she's distraught yet when told to embrace her destiny/future she flees instead. The rest of the movie shows us Rey overcoming this and changing into a hero in her own right. When the First Order attacks, she fights back. When Kylo Ren interrogates her, she turns the tables on her. Instead of reject her Jedi powers, she explores them. Finally she stands against evil as a Jedi Knight. She's successfully moved on and the film ends with her willingly walking towards her destiny. I disagree that she's forced to do anything. She chooses to protect BB-8. She chooses to fight to protect him. She chooses to use the Force. She chooses to go train with Luke. Just like Finn chooses to be a hero and Ren chooses to be a monster. She's not living up to Luke's legacy, the things she does, she does by herself.
During the final confrontation Kylo Ren says two important things: "Han Solo can't save you now" and "It's just us now." The climax of the movie is Kylo Ren and Rey completing their evolution and establishing themselves as the new future. Ren rejects his past as Ben Solo and irrevocably establishes himself as a monstrous force of evil in his own right. He's not playing at being Vader anymore. His mask is off for the fight. It's all on him. And Rey isn't playing at Han Solo or Luke Skywalker. Han Solo is dead and Luke is absent. When she fights Ren she stands there in her own right, finally accepting her own power and destiny without anyone to rely on but herself. The torch has been passed and will continue to be so in Ep 8. The film succeeds (imo) in this aspect. It celebrates the old while highlighting why it's time for something new and skillfully sets up the new characters to take up the mantle.
Like I said, the movie clearly has different opinions about the different kinds of nostalgia. The core of Star Wars is something to be celebrated and the heart and soul of the series was in desperate need of being recaptured. Nostalgia is good. The movie echoes a lot of previous elements because that stuffs (mostly) great! But nostalgia can also be destructive. Pricks ruin everything. Just because the movie is critical of one aspect doesn't mean it extends to the whole concept.
Great words.. best post in here
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
1) YOU could, yes. However, the difference is you are a vocal minority. The reviews for TFA are much, much higher across the board than Episode 1. Also, it's going to blow Episode 1 out of the water in sales as well. Again, the people really bashing the movie are in the minority. I have problems with TFA for sure. It's far from a perfect movie. But it was incredibly enjoyable for me, and many others.2) You really shouldn't compare TPM to TFA. One has a chance (though not likely) to be the best selling movie ever, while being a critical success as well. TPM, to it's credit, did sell alot of tickets. But it's no where near the critical success that TFA is.
3)I totally agree. In fact, there really isn't a perfect movie; let alone a perfect Star Wars movie. As I said I have a laundry list of complaints about TFA. However, said list didn't detract from my overall enjoyment of the movie much at all.
I find it amusing how you seem to KNOW who is in the minority and who is in the majority. You were talking about TFA fans being in the majority because of it's box office, then I brought up the box office for TPM, but for some reason your same rule doesn't hold up for that movie.
You also talked about Abrams financial success with this movie and how fans bashing of him is meaningless because of that. So I correctly brought up that the same was true for Lucas and TPM, but you don't seem to think that's beyond bashing because of "The All Powerful Critics."
You always go back to what "critics" say. Critics don't Decide what the GA thinks of a movie. And when it comes to bashing RT and IMDB don't mean jack either. ROTS has 79% on RT and 7.7 on Imdb. That's never stopped PT Haters from bashing on it.
That's my point, don't expect Box Office, or RT or IMDB to be some kind of protective shield over a film. And don't complain about it either. People have the right to hate a movie, and Star Wars will always bring out strong opinions one way or the other.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I find it amusing how you seem to KNOW who is in the minority and who is in the majority. You were talking about TFA fans being in the majority because of it's box office, then I brought up the box office for TPM, but for some reason your same rule doesn't hold up for that movie.You also talked about Abrams financial success with this movie and how fans bashing of him is meaningless because of that. So I correctly brought up that the same was true for Lucas and TPM, but you don't seem to think that's beyond bashing because of "The All Powerful Critics."
You always go back to what "critics" say. Critics don't Decide what the GA thinks of a movie. And when it comes to bashing RT and IMDB don't mean jack either. ROTS has 79% on RT and 7.7 on Imdb. That's never stopped PT Haters from bashing on it.
That's my point, don't expect Box Office, or RT or IMDB to be some kind of protective shield over a film. And don't complain about it either. People have the right to hate a movie, and Star Wars will always bring out strong opinions one way or the other.
So you've seen my posts and you know I'm pretty firmly on your side when it comes to this film. Don't really hate it(except when I do) but I also don't hate the prequels(except Clones, that one was rather dull). For your own sake, just stop arguing man lol. There is too much hype right now to really be objective and the film will need to come out on DVD before much in the way of a proper analysis can take place(and arguably the sequel, since this films leans so heavily on info that has to come in VIII).
Originally posted by AuraAngel
So you've seen my posts and you know I'm pretty firmly on your side when it comes to this film. Don't really hate it(except when I do) but I also don't hate the prequels(except Clones, that one was rather dull). For your own sake, just stop arguing man lol. There is too much hype right now to really be objective and the film will need to come out on DVD before much in the way of a proper analysis can take place(and arguably the sequel, since this films leans so heavily on info that has to come in VIII).
I can see that. But I'm just pointing out how laughably defensive some people are getting over this film. Especially those who've spent the last 10-15 years bashing on the Prequels.
"Everyone loves TFA because of box office. So you're clearly in the MINORITY"
"Phantom Menace also had great box office"
"But everyone hates that just look at Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB"
"Tell that to the people bashing ROTS which also has very good RT and IMDB scores"
"YOU'RE IN THE MINORITY OK. ACCEPT IT."
Originally posted by Darth ThorYou are so riled up over anyone enjoying this film. Just because you vehemently hate it and miss George Lucas don't ruin this for everyone else excited about the rest of trilogy.
I can see that. But I'm just pointing out how laughably defensive some people are getting over this film. Especially those who've spent the last 10-15 years bashing on the Prequels."Everyone loves TFA because of box office. So you're clearly in the MINORITY"
"Phantom Menace also had great box office"
"But everyone hates that just look at Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB"
"Tell that to the people bashing ROTS which also has very good RT and IMDB scores"
"YOU'RE IN THE MINORITY OK. ACCEPT IT."
Originally posted by Darth ThorI think you're missing the point. I'm saying that TFA is more highly regarded than TPM in pretty much every possible way, except what you feel about it. If you like TPM more than TFA, great! It's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Far be it for me to tell you you can't like TPM more. But, what I'm saying is, the majority in pretty much every way from dollars to reviews to word of mouth are saying TFA is superior. That's what I'm talking about. If you disagree then in that sense you are wrong; not for having an opinion on which film is superior, but merely the financial and critical success of the films.
I find it amusing how you seem to KNOW who is in the minority and who is in the majority. You were talking about TFA fans being in the majority because of it's box office, then I brought up the box office for TPM, but for some reason your same rule doesn't hold up for that movie.You also talked about Abrams financial success with this movie and how fans bashing of him is meaningless because of that. So I correctly brought up that the same was true for Lucas and TPM, but you don't seem to think that's beyond bashing because of "The All Powerful Critics."
You always go back to what "critics" say. Critics don't Decide what the GA thinks of a movie. And when it comes to bashing RT and IMDB don't mean jack either. ROTS has 79% on RT and 7.7 on Imdb. That's never stopped PT Haters from bashing on it.
That's my point, don't expect Box Office, or RT or IMDB to be some kind of protective shield over a film. And don't complain about it either. People have the right to hate a movie, and Star Wars will always bring out strong opinions one way or the other.
Originally posted by CPT Space BombOwned. Darth Thor is known for misrepresenting the position of others.
I think you're missing the point. I'm saying that TFA is more highly regarded than TPM in pretty much every possible way, except what you feel about it. If you like TPM more than TFA, great! It's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Far be it for me to tell you you can't like TPM more. But, what I'm saying is, the majority in pretty much every way from dollars to reviews to word of mouth are saying TFA is superior. That's what I'm talking about. If you disagree then in that sense you are wrong; not for having an opinion on which film is superior, but merely the financial and critical success of the films.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I think you're missing the point.
I kind of think you are tbh.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I'm saying that TFA is more highly regarded than TPM in pretty much every possible way,
By who? Critics? Lol
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
except what you feel about it.
And except everyone else who feels that way too
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
If you like TPM more than TFA, great!
Thanks. Same to you for enjoying TFA more than TPM.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
It's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
Same for you.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Far be it for me to tell you you can't like TPM more.
Same.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
But, what I'm saying is, the majority in pretty much every way from dollars to reviews to word of mouth are saying TFA is superior.
And here's where you jump to your own conclusions and present them as facts. TPM made more than 6 times it's Opening Weekend domestically. So where are you getting word of mouth is greater for TFA than it was for TPM at the time.
On the contrary, the fact that TPM grossed more 6 times it's OW, despite terrible reviews suggests even better WOM. Because critics do put people off watching a film. Whilst TFA has critics reviews on it's side HELPING to boost it's performance.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
That's what I'm talking about.
I know what you're talking about, but you're "facts" are pretty subjective.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
If you disagree then in that sense you are wrong;
Just stop it. You don't decide or know what the GA thought of TPM in 1999, or what the GA thinks of TFA now. Looking at financial success and how strong both their legs are, I'd say it's very likely the GA generally enjoyed them both.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
not for having an opinion on which film is superior, but merely the financial and critical success of the films.
Like I said TPM financial success is even more impressive given it had to fight off terrible critical reviews, whilst on the contrary TFA is likely getting a boost from very positive critical reviews.
Btw just like TPM should probably thank the OT for a lot of it's hype and success, TFA should probably thank the OT and PT for a lot of it's own hype and success.