Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
probably because you're not attempting to conflate/erase the significance of critical response and box office success while also attempting to canonize your own opinion.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Btw just like TPM should probably thank the OT for a lot of it's hype and success, TFA should probably thank the OT and PT for a lot of it's own hype and success.

Originally posted by Astner
Why is it that when I criticize the new movie it's "just my opinion," but when Darth Thor criticize it he's wrong?

I think the PT made a ton of money. But so did Transformers. 😉

Originally posted by queeq
I think the PT made a ton of money. But so did Transformers. 😉

yeah its true that lots of crappy movies make a ton of money. in the end, this will be the only ranking that matters to me: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
yeah its true that lots of crappy movies make a ton of money. in the end, this will be the only ranking that matters to me: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm

In the novelization, it was revealed that Snoke and Kylo Ren knew what went down in the Death Star between Palpatine and Anakin. Snoke explains to Kylo had Anakin killed Luke, the Empire would've prevailed, suggesting that he was present during the events of Ep4-6. Then Kylo replies he won't be easily swayed to the Light Side. Which kinda explains why he killed his father.

Originally posted by Astner
Why is it that when I criticize the new movie it's "just my opinion," but when Darth Thor criticize it he's wrong?

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb

LOL. No. The Prequel Trilogy were the worst reviewed Star Wars movies.

LOL Reviews have nothing to do with what the GA thinks.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
[B]They didn't make as much money as they should have because they just weren't that good.

LOL @ the Prequels not making much money. TPM became the 2nd biggest movie of all time (at the time), and made more than 6 times it's opening weekend Domestically. And became the biggest movie at the time in terms of merchandise sales.

It was a Massive film at the time. Absolutely Massive.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
In fact, criticism of the prequels was so bad that George Lucas gave up on trying to make SW films because he couldn't handle the criticism. So, wait a minute....maybe you're right! Maybe I should thank the prequels for being so panned that we don't have to deal with Lucas anymore.....Never thought of it that way.

Strange considering your darling Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB have given greats scores to ROTS.

But that's interesting to know that criticisms do get us far. Means I should keep criticising the lack of Imagination TFA has, so maybe Disney will get rid of Abrams and give us an Original Star Wars film one day.

Originally posted by queeq
I think the PT made a ton of money. But so did Transformers. 😉

Moral of the story? CPT should stop hiding behind TFA's financial success to prove it's superiority over the Prequels.

Sigh,

Originally posted by Darth Thor
LOL @ the Prequels not making much money. TPM became the 2nd biggest movie of all time (at the time), and made more than 6 times it's opening weekend Domestically. And became the biggest movie at the time in terms of merchandise sales.

It was a Massive film at the time. Absolutely Massive.

Strange considering your darling Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB have given greats scores to ROTS.

But that's interesting to know that criticisms do get us far. Means I should keep criticising the lack of Imagination TFA has, so maybe Disney will get rid of Abrams and give us an Original Star Wars film one day.

Moral of the story? CPT should stop hiding behind TFA's financial success to prove it's superiority over the Prequels.

You can't deny consumerism and heavy marketing by Disney helped this movie gain financial success.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
You can't deny consumerism and heavy marketing by Disney helped this movie gain financial success.

TPM didn't have this kind of exposure. Heck, Avatar and Titanic weren't advertised as much as TFA. TFA was/is literally sponsored by almost every major product brand I use, both local and international brands. It was the marketing that helped push the sales to insane levels. If Titanic/Avatar had the same level of exposure, they would've generated more revenue than they had.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Sigh,

I said prequels. And it's no surprise that TPM made alot of money as it was the first Star Wars movie since ROTJ.

Kind of like TFA is the first Star Wars movie since ROTS. Hmm..

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
The hype surrounding it was nearly what TFA's was, if not more.

Well clearly not, because TPM didn't get the biggest opening weekend of all time. It was 2nd to Jurassic Park 2. Yet it thrashed Jurassic Park 2 at the box office, so clearly had much stronger legs.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I said prequels as a group, and I stand by that comment.

The only one of the Prequels which underperformed at the box office was AOTC (which is the only other Star Wars movie I was also underwhelmed by when I first saw it btw).

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I'll say this, I fully expect EACH of the new trilogy films to outgain EACH of the PT films; and not just because inflation. HOLD ME TO IT, you can quote me on it.[/B]

That's a prediction, which doesn't mean anything for now. Most People were predicting Avengers AOU was going to surpass Avengers 1 but it didn't.

Also Remember this is the first SW film out in winter. Previously all SW films came out in Summer blockbuster season. So I wouldn't put my money on the ones released in Summer doing as well.

Anyway back to TPM, it was approximately as big a hit as Jurassic Park World Wide (even after both of them had a 3d re-release a few years ago, and even when you adjust for inflation domestically). So other movies doing better than it doesn't take anything away from how successful it was.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
ROTS is EASILY the best prequel movie, and it didn't get "GREAT" reviews from either IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes. It failed to achieve an 8 on IMDB, and garned a 79% on Rotten Tomatoes. ALSO, perhaps more importantly, it only received a 65% approval from the audience rating on RT. And Metacritic is the harshest which gave it a 68%. Don't get me wrong, I liked ROTS, but it's not getting "Great" reviews, let's not pretend here.[/B]

Huh? 7.7 and 79% are not good scores? 68% is really good on Metacritic, because like you said it's the harshest!

Let me put ROTS scores in perspective for you. The 2nd biggest hit of this year "Jurassic World" which beat Avengers 1 for the no.3 box office spot of all time and was generally well received by critics and audiences alike.. has a 7.1 on Imdb and 71% on Rotten Tomatoes. So going by your own (Reviewers) measuring scale ROTS is a much better liked movie than Jurassic World.

Of course it wouldn't pass your "box office" test against Jurassic World, but $840mill ww in 2005 (with 10 years of inflation against it and 3d ticket sales and Imax) is not exactly anything to scoff at.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
You aren't going to stop ripping TFA anyways, so what does that matter?

Just like some people will never stop attacking the Prequels, even AFTER Lucas has sold the franchise you mean?

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
And as far as Abrams? He's not directing the rest so you can at least be thankful for that perhaps.

I actually am very Thankful for that. I still want a new Star Wars movie that has some originality and imagination behind it.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I'm not the one hiding. I'm stating FACT. The only facts as of this moment, is that:
TFA is going to make more money and be better reviewed/received than any prequel, PERIOD. That's not opinion, IT'S FACT. If you don't like it, I can't help you with that.

And if you can't accept that as far as reviews go, art is subjective, and as far as box office goes, TPM was also a Massive Masssive hit, and ROTS also a pretty big one (which was also well received by your reviewer sites on top), then I can't help you either.

You don't talk for the "majority", you talk for yourself only, that's all I'm saying.

Wow.... I can only say: "This bickering is pointless."

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
TPM didn't have this kind of exposure. Heck, Avatar and Titanic weren't advertised as much as TFA. TFA was/is literally sponsored by almost every major product brand I use, both local and international brands. It was the marketing that helped push the sales to insane levels. If Titanic/Avatar had the same level of exposure, they would've generated more revenue than they had.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You don't talk for the "majority", you talk for yourself only, that's all I'm saying.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
I'm stating FACT. The only facts as of this moment, is that:
TFA is going to make more money and be better reviewed/received than any prequel, PERIOD. That's not opinion, IT'S FACT. If you don't like it, I can't help you with that.

Yeah the $100+ million that Disney had spent on ad campaigns and made over $40 billion in merchandising a year before the movie even came out. There's also the 5 billion dollars that Disney is expected to make from all of the toys and DVD's its been selling. Then again unlike TPH, this movie can not only sell itself with the Star Wars name but also use Disney's umbrella to prop itself.

"this topic will remain at a standstill until everyone agrees with me that TFA is bad!!!" *snivels*

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Were you alive when TPM came out? People had dial-up internet back then. So many people were watching the trailers online that it crashed servers left and right. TPM was ridiculously hyped. It also had tons and tons of promotion. But that's beside the point. You're argument is that what, studios CAN'T PROMOTE THEIR MOVIES NOW? lol. Okay, every blockbuster that breaks records left and right from now on I'm going to say that it wasn't fair they had financial backing.

Life's not fair.