Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Originally posted by Nibedicus

2) You "think" there wasn't a need, but it is not up to you. Criticising a movie due to it not falling within your very specific criteria of what is acceptable is kinda petty don't you think (you're welcome to it, sure, but it just seems a little petty to me)? Other ppl have different opinions and some ppl def enjoyed that part even tho they were a bit heavy handed with it (me being one of them).

Originally posted by AuraAngel
1) I think I've heard of that phenomenon. I believe it happened to TPM. uhuh

2) I'm kidding of course but if someone changes their opinions on the movie based on what they feel to be well reasoned arguments then I don't see any particular problems with that. Tastes change, people have different perspectives, some are better versed in cinema, some know Star Wars inside and out, etc. I used to think TPM was pretty good but arguments convinced otherwise(though it should be noted that I was like 13 when I first saw it). Never be afraid to be open minded.

3) As it stands TFA is a perfectly serviceable romp with some pacing problems and a plot that recycles more than the previous 5 films were one to recycle. You can do a lot worse. If I didn't sort of hate it, I really wouldn't see the big deal.

1) Iunno. Didn't frequent movie forums back when TPM came out. I thought it was a fun movie, too. Tho I like it less than TFA. T'was my least favorite of the franchise. But not by much.

2) See, I don't get this. I gauge a movie based on how it made me feel when I watched it. Nitpicking it post-viewing is kinda counter productive. Listening to other ppl's nitpicking even less so. It's not about being "open minded" it's about being influenced by irrelevant information.

3) Agree about the first two parts. Although the minor pacing problems didn't take away from my enjoyment of the movie.

Originally posted by dadudemon
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Originally posted by dadudemon

The only time The Force really guided QGJ in the plot that you talk about was when he sensed The Force in Anakin. That's when QGJ become almost obsessed with the boy.

Well, QGJ says that finding Anakin was the will of the Force. And how did they find Anakin? By getting stuck in this taxation dispute, strange blockade and escape thing and ending up in Tatooine. They only reason they FIND Anakin, is because they were sent on this mission. Ergo, that would be the Force guiding them.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But in TFA, we have an incomprehensible sub-plot surrounding Anakin's lightsaber. It passes from Anakin to some unknown place for a while, then into Obi Wan's hands, then into Luke's hands, then into the bottom of a station in Cloud City after Luke's hand gets cut off, and then to a far away planet into a storage locker at Maz's place that Rey just HAPPENS to arbitrarily run across to get her Force Vision. And how did she arbitarily run across that saber? She was dropped on Tatooi...I mean Jakku when she was a kid. Grew up on Jakku to an adult. Then Jakku had a town that just so happened to be near enough to Rey that she got involved with the attack on that town by the Storm Troppers. Then she got entwinned with a defecting Storm Trooper that just so happened to crash land on Jakku near the settlement where Rey was. And then she happened to end up crossing paths with the Millenium Falcon. And then she just so happened to run across paths with Han Solo. And then she just so happened to be told by Han Solo that Maz's place would be a great place to go to. And now we come full-circle on how she actually ran across that lightsaber. Now that's some convoluted plot right there. How the hell did they retrieve the lightsaber in Cloud City, anyway?"

Well, basically we don't know the answers to these things yet. It just depends on how much the sequels are going to give us information about that. So what we have here is a lot of questions.

In the PT all the questions that Lucas wanted to answer have been answered. And still we don't get it.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Kylo made the movie, the second was fin, third was ren.

Ren? lol

So you have Kylo at #1 and #3 😛

Funny typo.

Queeq really hates the pt.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) One's opinion of a movie is subjective, yes. The difference between "hate" and "criicism" is not. If you don't believe in "hating", then my comment wasn't addressed to you.

2) You "think" there wasn't a need, but it is not up to you. Criticising a movie due to it not falling within your very specific criteria of what is acceptable is kinda petty don't you think (you're welcome to it, sure, but it just seems a little petty to me)? Other ppl have different opinions and some ppl def enjoyed that part even tho they were a bit heavy handed with it (me being one of them).

3) Annnnd your point being?

1) Well what one person calls "Hate" could be another man's "Criticism." So a lot of the time that line can be subjective. But given the mega Prequel "hate" campaign over the last 16 years, this is nothing in comparison so shouldn't really shock/surprise you.

2) Urrm Excuse me? No it's not a petty criticism at all.

The heavy recycling completely took me out of the movie in it's latter half, leaving me underwhelmed by the end. And they tried so hard to copy ANH, that in a sequel format the film didn't even make sense - Why was the Resistance called the Resistance? Shouldn't they be a faction or part of the Republic? Does the Republic not have it's own Army?
But Ah that's right, they had to copy the whole Empire/Rebellion scenario from ANH so perfectly, and without even properly explaining how we got there again, that the movie up feeling like it was not only a rehash but one with lazy writing.

You brought up how they wanted that nostalgia effect, I brought up the nostalgia was there the moment you see Han, Chewie and the Millennium Falcon (which was absolutely clear from the reactions to the trailers), and so there was absolutely no need to copy direct plot points just for "even more nostalgia."

Now if they had told us far in advance to expect a rehash of ANH, then maybe I wouldn't have been so disappointed walking out of the film, but they made it even worse (for me) by being so hush hush about the plot, having us all thinking "whoaa what do they have planned?"

So no, it's not a "petty" criticism at all, and only someone who can't handle criticisms of a movie they like/love would say such a thing.

3) Because again,,, You shouldn't be surprised. This has been happening for many years with Star Wars.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ren? lol

So you have Kylo at #1 and #3 😛

Funny typo.

I already forgot the girls name, that's how in important she was😂

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Kylo is one of the best sith in terms of character.

I liked him at first and then he took off his mask, threw emo temper tantrums, and struggled in battle with a 3rd rate stormtrooper and a girl that just discovered the force a few hours beforehand. All that equates to the worst sith ever in terms of,,,,well everything.

Sidious ≥ Vader > Maul > Tyraneus ⋙ Kylo Ren

Still has the best voice.

And Anakin was more of a cry baby.

Originally posted by tkitna
I liked him at first and then he took off his mask, threw emo temper tantrums, and struggled in battle with a 3rd rate stormtrooper and a girl that just discovered the force a few hours beforehand. All that equates to the worst sith ever in terms of,,,,well everything.

Originally posted by Astner
Sidious ≥ Vader > Maul > Tyraneus ⋙ Kylo Ren

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kylo has already eclipsed Vader in terms of evil IMO.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1) Iunno. Didn't frequent movie forums back when TPM came out. I thought it was a fun movie, too. Tho I like it less than TFA. T'was my least favorite of the franchise. But not by much.

2) See, I don't get this. I gauge a movie based on how it made me feel when I watched it. Nitpicking it post-viewing is kinda counter productive. Listening to other ppl's nitpicking even less so. It's not about being "open minded" it's about being influenced by irrelevant information.

3) Agree about the first two parts. Although the minor pacing problems didn't take away from my enjoyment of the movie.

1. It happened later on in life.

2. What if you don't consider your own personal gripes with the movie to be nitpicks? I mean you personally might not mind that this movie takes so much of it's story structure from ANH but someone else does. Mind you, this complaint itself can very in level. It can range from "because it is so similar to ANH, the film is utterly predictable" to "it is lacking in imagination" and so on.

3. Too bad it will be utterly forgettable sooner rather than later.

There is almost no chance the film will be "forgotten". Good or not, it's still a SW film and will have a large impact on pop culture.

Originally posted by Astner
So what? He's still not an engaging or intimidating villain. When Vader walked around officers threw their gaze to the ground to avoid attention. When Kylo did the same they were rolling their eyes.

Tarkin straight up told Vader to stop the force choke and he listened. You always ignore the facts. Troopers ran from Kylo not Vader.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was inexperienced though and he isn't a Sith he is a Knight of Ren. I like Kylo but him being owned by an inexperienced woman still doesn't sit well with me despite the circumstances. I don't think the hero should go off on the villain like that when pushed. Trust me that Kylo will be a lot more effective and menacing in the next film.

I didn't know he wasn't a Sith.

Originally posted by queeq
Well, basically we don't know the answers to these things yet. It just depends on how much the sequels are going to give us information about that. So what we have here is a lot of questions.

In the PT all the questions that Lucas wanted to answer have been answered. And still we don't get it.

Yeah, its still possible that Rey and the map being in such close proximity wasn't a coincidence.

And it isn't coincidence that Finn landed near BB-8 and Rey. The First Order was looking for the droid, they'd be in orbit above the area they know he was in.

Also, why the ferk do people need an explanation for how Maz has the lightsaber? I'll tell you exactly how: Shenanigans. It's pretty damn obvious. It's not like it was blown into space, it fell down a hole. Someone found it and then sold it cuz lightsabers are collectors items. It changed hands until Maz got it. Gosh that sure is something we need spelled out and can't just intuitively infer instantly.

Originally posted by Astner
So what? He's still not an engaging or intimidating villain. When Vader walked around officers threw their gaze to the ground to avoid attention. When Kylo did the same they were rolling their eyes.

Did you miss that guy kakking his pants at delivering Kylo some bad news or what?

Because the lightsaber happening to be in this random bar at just the right moment for our heroes to need it for the climax breaks suspension of disbelief for some I suppose.

Could have saved all the trouble by just having the lightsaber be on the Falcon.