Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah Pirates is taking Episode 8's previous slot in May 2016. That's last I read on it anyway.
Oh ok.
I won't confuse the issue but I initially thought VIII was a Dec release, prior to pushing it back another 6 months.
I just remember seeing fans start a 365 day countdown after VII premiered on FB.
Originally posted by queeq
You take everything out of context. Just because I feel keeping the identity secret of the big villain and not making clear what he's trying to achieve (despite the fact that all of us fans knew who he was but not what he was doing with taxation of trade routes) doesn't mean I don't like big reveals. But big reveals have to make sense.
Okay, fair. But I'd still say it should have become obvious to any of the casual fans that the future emperor was trying to rise to power when he suggested the "vote of no confidence" idea. You're supposed to think, 'Why would the future emperor want to depose the current supreme chan...oooohhhh...hehehehe."
Originally posted by queeq
Vader revealing himself as Luke's dad was one of the best reveal ever. Leia's sister... meeh... we all know this was convenient short cut to wrap up the OT.
Agreed. One of the best reveals of all time in any film (I may be biased but nothing hit me like a ton of bricks like that reveal. The only thing that comes close to that reveal is the first Saw film where the main character stands up from the bathroom and walks out...that was a punch to the face, the nuts, and the stomach, all at the same time).
Originally posted by queeq
The major difference between you and me is that you seem satisfied how everything has been explained to you in PT. And that things are logical.
Very fair statement. 👆
Originally posted by queeq
My problem is not so much the grand scheme of things. Pappy is by far the best character in the PT, because he LIKES being evil and knows what he wants (even though we as an audience don't always get the steps of his plan). A guy with passion and a goal in life. But... he is the ONLY ONE.
Well...most characters in the PT have complex wants and motivations. That's the sign of a good story, imo. Having a singular focus/want/desire makes characters a bit one-dimensional. I like a bit more complication to my characters because it feels more human. Anakin, in the PT, is an excellently complex character. He has many motivations, wants, and desires. We get to explore the gray area, white area, and black areas of his thinking as he falls to the Dark Side. Very interesting and entertaining character, imo.
Originally posted by queeq
I don't care about explanations and 'logic',
HA! 😄
Originally posted by queeq
I think what Lucas had was deplorably told. A story has to be compelling, characters have to by empathetic And in the case of SW even sympathetic). But the PT has boring and often emotionless characters and plot elements that don't seem to make any sense. Some aren't even relevant (i.e. finding out where the clones came from).
I can't disagree with you, here. Because this is purely opinion on your part.
Originally posted by queeq
And my biggest bother is that the PT fails to make home runs on the major plot points (Anakin and Padme falling love: horrible. Anakin's fall: terrible. Anakin as a great pilot, hero and best friend of OB1: we never see that - we are only TOLD... ). And when it comes to that, the OT and TFA do a lot better job.
I disagree with all of your points, above. We get to see a bit of Anakin's amazing piloting skills. And Anakin's fall was masterfully done, imo. Loved the shit out of it. The falling in love stuff? Believable and nice (I really don't get why everyone is so angry about that...I found nothing wrong with it and the lines were not even close to as cheesy as everyone makes it out to be).
And the OB1 and Anakin relationship? Amazing. I'll tell you a secret: I cried with OB1 when he told burning Vader that he was like a brother to him. Very powerful scene. All of those years I spent in the PT, watching their relationship grow, and you could just feel how terrible it was on OB1 to have to say goodbye to his brother and his friend.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay, fair. But I'd still say it should have become obvious to any of the casual fans that the future emperor was trying to rise to power when he suggested the "vote of no confidence" idea. You're supposed to think, 'Why would the future emperor want to depose the current supreme chan...oooohhhh...hehehehe."
Yeah, but casual viewers don't think that just after watching TPM. The only reason SW fans know that the later Emperor was called Palpatine and how he rose to power was due to a short preface in the ANH novelisation. Never in the OT was he named. And in TPM it's so subtle that casual viewers did and don't get it.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well...most characters in the PT have complex wants and motivations. That's the sign of a good story, imo. Having a singular focus/want/desire makes characters a bit one-dimensional. I like a bit more complication to my characters because it feels more human. Anakin, in the PT, is an excellently complex character. He has many motivations, wants, and desires. We get to explore the gray area, white area, and black areas of his thinking as he falls to the Dark Side. Very interesting and entertaining character, imo.
Well, I just don't SEE it. They may have desires and motivations, they don't show it by their actions. As for Anakin, I see only one emotion: anger. And I see only one motivation: "I want more." And that's all I see from the beginning of AOTC to the end of ROTS.
As for the others, I have no clue what they want. Because most of them don't DO anything.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree with all of your points, above. We get to see a bit of Anakin's amazing piloting skills.
When? That silly scene with the droids on the wings?
To me the flight of Poe on Maz' planet, THAT shows great piloting skills. I never saw Ankin do that (or Luke for that matter, but then the film makers at least had the excuse of technological limitations).
Originally posted by dadudemon
The falling in love stuff? Believable and nice (I really don't get why everyone is so angry about that...I found nothing wrong with it and the lines were not even close to as cheesy as everyone makes it out to be).
Well, how am I gonna answer that. Hehehe...
Lemme try this one. Telling a girl, half crying, that she's "in my soul, tormenting me", is not gonna get you laid. 😉
Or: watch those scenes on Naboo with a girl and then ask her how she feels about Anakin. I can tell you: this guy makes every alarm bell go off ringing "psycho! creep! psycho! creep!" And then I am not mentioning Anakin's preference to dictatorship as the ideal form of government.
And believe me, no sensible girl, which Padme clearly is, would EVER fall in love with a psycho creep like that. That is why these scenes are so bad: that a relationship (even marriage) comes forth from these lines is totally incredible.
Originally posted by dadudemon
And the OB1 and Anakin relationship? Amazing. I'll tell you a secret: I cried with OB1 when he told burning Vader that he was like a brother to him. Very powerful scene. All of those years I spent in the PT, watching their relationship grow, and you could just feel how terrible it was on OB1 to have to say goodbye to his brother and his friend.
Well, I am happy for you. Good to know that scene moved some people. Too bad though, it should have moved us all. Like the 'I am the Vader' reveal.
Originally posted by queeq
Yeah, but casual viewers don't think that just after watching TPM. The only reason SW fans know that the later Emperor was called Palpatine and how he rose to power was due to a short preface in the ANH novelisation. Never in the OT was he named. And in TPM it's so subtle that casual viewers did and don't get it.
No, the reason that the Star Wars fans know that the Emperor was going to rise to power was because it was literally the biggest known secret of the PT before TPM was released. Casting him pretty much ruined any sort of idea or notion that the Emperor would not be known until a big reveal. Like I said, any fan knew that: casual fans (check my post: I said "casual fans", not "casual movie goers."😉 included.
Since we already know the general story of the PT, from the OT, trying to hid the Senator's rise to power wasn't really necessary nor is it appropriate.
Originally posted by queeq
Well, I just don't SEE it.
Yes, we really do see it. From many characters. We can only disagree because this is opinion.
Originally posted by queeq
As for Anakin, I see only one emotion: anger. And I see only one motivation: "I want more." And that's all I see from the beginning of AOTC to the end of ROTS.
You see love, frustration, anger, fear, hatred, desire, ambition, etc. He's a very well-done character. I do agree that some of his acting is a bit bland but the "wooden acting" complaining people make a big deal about is not really legit to me. The OT is full of atrocious and horrible acting. Some very cheesy lines. But we still love it. So why not the PT?
Originally posted by queeq
As for the others, I have no clue what they want. Because most of them don't DO anything.
Well...I mean...that's not true at all. I think you know that. Maybe you mean something like, "Their actions feel linear and their motivations seen simplistic. Their character development leaves something to be desired." I still wouldn't agree but that is more of an opinion than fact.
Originally posted by queeq
When? That silly scene with the droids on the wings?
There's more than one, actually.
Originally posted by queeq
To me the flight of Poe on Maz' planet, THAT shows great piloting skills. I never saw Ankin do that (or Luke for that matter, but then the film makers at least had the excuse of technological limitations).
Anakin has a similar scene where he takes out 3 or 4 fairly quickly.
Originally posted by queeq
Well, how am I gonna answer that. Hehehe...Lemme try this one. Telling a girl, half crying, that she's "in my soul, tormenting me", is not gonna get you laid. 😉
I can help you with this misunderstanding: there are literally millions of girls who would fall for lines like that (just the same as there are millions who wouldn't fall for it). Careful not the generalize all women as "this" or "that": it comes off as sexist.
Originally posted by queeq
Or: watch those scenes on Naboo with a girl and then ask her how she feels about Anakin.
I can tell you the answer to that because I've already been there, done that: "I wish a man would talk to me like that. *woeful sigh*"
I think what you're doing is simply regurgitating ideas from other (such as a certain popular YouTube personality) PT haters, most of the time.
Originally posted by queeq
I can tell you: this guy makes every alarm bell go off ringing "psycho! creep! psycho! creep!" And then I am not mentioning Anakin's preference to dictatorship as the ideal form of government.
Do you want to know how horribly and atrociously out of touch with females you are? Tens of millions of American women disagree with you in the most direct way possible. Christian Gray is a genuinely creepy and abusive character. Yet all these women swoon over the idea of that fictional character (and women from all ages: not just middle aged women).
Originally posted by queeq
And believe me, no sensible girl, which Padme clearly is, would EVER fall in love with a psycho creep like that.
Actual scientific research says otherwise.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/valley-girl-brain/201001/do-girls-really-love-assholes
But I'm glad you indulged me on the romance stuff: it gave me an opportunity to complain about how poor the PT complaints are, yet again. 🙂
Originally posted by queeq
Well, I am happy for you. Good to know that scene moved some people. Too bad though, it should have moved us all. Like the 'I am the Vader' reveal.
👆
Any other huge complaints about the PT you have?