Originally posted by Firefly218
The third prequel got a 67 on meta critic and most people still think it sucked, just sucked with more redeeming qualities.
Who are these "most people"?
It's got a 7.7 on IMDB and an 80% on Rotten Tomatoes of all places.
So that's total rubbish that "most people" think ROTS sucked. It's far more entertaining than most the big blockbusters we get nowadays.
Originally posted by ares834
Or, you know, they thought the films were just bad.
Those are the same people that say ROTJ also sucks, so apparently the only good SW films we've ever had are ANH and ESB.
Apparently.
In fact even ANH got bad reviews initially, but the Critics had to shut up after it became such a phenomenon.
Originally posted by Quincy
The prequels were more "disappointing" than truly out and out "bad."But it's the risk you run with prequels. We know exactly where the story is going, and were inevitably let down when we get to see how the world of the OT was created.
It was a generational thing, just like Lucas always said.
The older generation (approx 20+ at the time of TPM 40+ now) were really disappointed because the Prequels didn't give them the same feeling SW gave them as kids.
Whilst the younger generations generally liked the Prequels.
Critics have always hated Lucas and took the opportunity of the the older generation being disappointed in the Prequels to attack him harder than ever.
There is a difference though because the originals appealed to both adults and children. Regardless of what, Lucas may say, it's apparent that the original movies were written primarily with adults in mind. I think George just made a movie that "HE" wanted to see. The adults and children that first saw the original movies only grew to appreciate the movies as they got older.
I don't care if the prequels were marketed for a younger audience, that's still no excuse as to why they're so bad.
I don't hate Lucas, I respect Lucas for the art he has created and the great deal of charitable acts he involves himself in. i just dislike and agree with a lot of things he's done and said over the years. It's surprising to go back to when Lucas was first working on Star Wars and see the type of artist and filmmaker he was by reading his interviews and comments on story telling and art in general and then hear how he know feels the exact opposite.
I don't think disliking the prequels is "unfair" or anything like that. If you don't like something, you don't like it. I don't really care for Return of the Jedi either save for a smattering of scenes.
And anything will be a hit with kids. I was like, 9 when Phantom Menace came out, I enjoyed it at that time.
Now I'm 25 and can tell that it's mostly pretty crap.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Who are these "most people"?It's got a 7.7 on IMDB and an 80% on Rotten Tomatoes of all places.
So that's total rubbish that "most people" think ROTS sucked. It's far more entertaining than most the big blockbusters we get nowadays.
Those are the same people that say ROTJ also sucks, so apparently the only good SW films we've ever had are ANH and ESB.
Apparently.
In fact even ANH got bad reviews initially, but the Critics had to shut up after it became such a phenomenon.
The prequel trilogy quality is clearly inferior to the original trilogy, that's not in question. Sentiment of the prequel trilogy being really weak as a whole is ubiquitous if not fact.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Most people I know think it sucks at least.
Well most people I know think it's awesome. Even people who weren't fond of Episodes 1 & 2.
Originally posted by Firefly218
The prequel trilogy quality is clearly inferior to the original trilogy, that's not in question.
As a Trilogy, yes the OT works better. As individual films however there's a lot to be debated there.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Sentiment of the prequel trilogy being really weak as a whole is ubiquitous if not fact.
No not at all. It's considered weak by most movie critics, and many people working in the movie industry- A lot of which originates from Lucas haters and right wingers who didn't like the story idea of a great democracy being completely corrupt and forming into an evil Empire.
And like I said before the Prequels disappointed many older hardcore fans of the Originals.
But with your wider audience Star Wars is still generally well liked/loved, Originals and Prequels IMHO.
Originally posted by ares834Your opinions conflict with my superior opinion. You do realize I won't stop, right ?
Sounds to me like you know nothing about my opinions. 🙂
Originally posted by Darth ThorYou can't speak for everyone. You also can't say these guys are giant lemmings (irony, right ?) even though I find most Star Wars fans devoid of any brain activity. Let's just say I find it extremely uncomfortable arguing for these fanboys but objectivity is a passion of mine. You can't speak for anyone else and I think most people can determine whether they find a film entertaining.
Most the OT Lovers who are Prequel haters will love the new film. Because film critics will Allow them to.It's film critics and the movie industry in general that have been pumping "the prequels are bad" into people's heads for the last 15 years. Simply because most those people have a problem with Lucas.
But now that Lucas is out, this new one will get great reviews guaranteed, so the Haters will have permission to enjoy it.
Originally posted by Firefly218It is all subjective so you can only speak for yourself or people you know who have given their opinions. Arguing personal preference isn't really interesting outside of trash talking but come on now. Your perpestbr isn't a fact so don't you dare presume it to be.
Most people I know think it sucks at least.The prequel trilogy quality is clearly inferior to the original trilogy, that's not in question. Sentiment of the prequel trilogy being really weak as a whole is ubiquitous if not fact.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well most people I know think it's awesome. Even people who weren't fond of Episodes 1 & 2.As a Trilogy, yes the OT works better. As individual films however there's a lot to be debated there.
No not at all. It's considered weak by most movie critics, and many people working in the movie industry- A lot of which originates from Lucas haters and right wingers who didn't like the story idea of a great democracy being completely corrupt and forming into an evil Empire.
And like I said before the Prequels disappointed many older hardcore fans of the Originals.
But with your wider audience Star Wars is still generally well liked/loved, Originals and Prequels IMHO.
What exactly did the prequels do? Sure maybe lots of kids had a jolly time in the theater, but for the most part nothing. The prequels had a minuscule impact in pop culture and by now have been largely forgotten. The originals are revered by many almost at the magnitude of religion, while the prequels are fodder for stand up comics.
To compare the prequels to the originals in the manner your doing is ridiculous imho
Originally posted by Firefly218
The original Star Wars movies were a phenomenon. They had a profound influence on not only generations of people but also on film and future filmmakers. The original Star Wars movies defined millions of childhoods, revitalized the science fiction genre and launched a new era I what constitutes a blockbuster. The original Star Wars movies produced arguabley history's most renowned pop culture icon with Darth Vader.What exactly did the prequels do? Sure maybe lots of kids had a jolly time in the theater, but for the most part nothing. The prequels had a minuscule impact in pop culture and by now have been largely forgotten. The originals are revered by many almost at the magnitude of religion, while the prequels are fodder for stand up comics.
To compare the prequels to the originals in the manner your doing is ridiculous imho
I think there's plenty to dislike about the prequels but, as is the case with other phenomenon like Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber or whatever, I think much of today's vitriol towards the prequels owes to a particularly vocal and militant group of haters.
In other words, I think a lot of it is overblown.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your opinions conflict with my superior opinion. You do realize I won't stop, right ? You can't speak for everyone. You also can't say these guys are giant lemmings (irony, right ?) even though I find most Star Wars fans devoid of any brain activity. Let's just say I find it extremely uncomfortable arguing for these fanboys but objectivity is a passion of mine. You can't speak for anyone else and I think most people can determine whether they find a film entertaining.
I'm not speaking for everyone.
But watch critics give this next one a free pass. There was a lot of Lucas hate in the film industry.
For instance whatever people think of TPM's quality as a film, it was a Joke that film lost the Oscar for best special effects to Matrix.
Originally posted by Darth ThorWell, I think the next film will be the best so it might not need a pass. I kind of don't like Lucas as a person either. He's quite innovative but he sounds like an *******. That's neither here nor there.
I'm not speaking for everyone.But watch critics give this next one a free pass. There was a lot of Lucas hate in the film industry.
For instance whatever people think of TPM's quality as a film, it was a Joke that film lost the Oscar for best special effects to Matrix.
Awards don't mean dick to me as do other people's opinions. I always judge a film simply did I enjoy it or not and the reasons why. If people hate the prequels fine for them as for me ROTS was my favorite Star Wars film to date. It was a really damn good film. I couldn't care less how many people say the prequels are awful because my opinion is my own. I do probably agree that the same kind of vocal ot purists scream the loudest just like the same Star Trek purists are vocal about hating Into Darkness.
#****em
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I'm not speaking for everyone.But watch critics give this next one a free pass. There was a lot of Lucas hate in the film industry.
For instance whatever people think of TPM's quality as a film, it was a Joke that film lost the Oscar for best special effects to Matrix.
Phantom Menace losing the Oscar is perfectly understandable. First off, the special effects in Matrix were revolutionary and contributed to the story in a masterful way. While Phantom Menace's effects were top notch for their time, they were blatantly overused and contributed little to the story. The Oscar doesn't just go to the movie which spends a buttload on cool special effects, the Oscar goes to the movie which takes cool special effects and uses them effectively and for a purpose which contributes to the movie. Matrix did it wayyyy better.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well, I think the next film will be the best so it might not need a pass. I kind of don't like Lucas as a person either. He's quite innovative but he sounds like an *******. That's neither here nor there.Awards don't mean dick to me as do other people's opinions. I always judge a film simply did I enjoy it or not and the reasons why. If people hate the prequels fine for them as for me ROTS was my favorite Star Wars film to date. It was a really damn good film. I couldn't care less how many people say the prequels are awful because my opinion is my own. I do probably agree that the same kind of vocal ot purists scream the loudest just like the same Star Trek purists are vocal about hating Into Darkness.
#****em