Who wins the race: Surfer vs Flash

Again, maybe the writer thinks that at light speed the time stops?

Sorry, what I meant is that writer interviews and twitter questions etc aren't generally used on the forum as iron clad proof.

As a general rule no, but for specific scenes where clarification is needed, there is no one better to ask than the writer himself/herself.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Again, maybe the writer thinks that at light speed the time stops?

Maybe.

I propose that whenever possible, for this thread at least, we should just throw out 'lightspeed' as nothing more than just a label and go by actual mile/per hour calculations.

I've seen too many times where writers just slap 'lightspeed' on something without a care for the actual speed given. They just think of it as some catch-all 'nigh infinite speed' or some shit like that.

You'd get tremendous pushback from those seeking to disqualify this feat.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True. My interpretation doesn't cherry pick what to accept and what to ignore; other interpretations do.

If the writer has zero clue about basic maths, doesn't mean we just throw it out.

Cool.

Radioactive spider bites don't give you powers.

Most of the mutants make no sense; their creators have zero clue about basic biology. How does mutations in your genes enable you to control the weather? Metal? Use magic? Warp reality?

Throw them all out, because the writers, when creating them, had zero clue about basic scientific principles.

Your argument is actually for Flash's feat being sub light speed.

You want to take the writer's word despite him not understanding the science behind it.

Flash performed the feat going at speeds slightly less than c; glad we are in agreement.

I have always been in agreement. From the very start.

We take what is written by the writer. 35 mikes away, 0.00001 microseconds, 500,000 people, carried under the speed of light, all of it. ALL the writer's words. Not just bits of sentences.

Am glad to have as powerful an ally as you by my side.

On Panel evidence over rules narration.

You can have a comic book narrating that Odin is omnipotent and on the next page get his ass beaten.

Logic says Odin is not really omnipotent even if narration says so.

It will be assine to argue that Odin is omnipotent just because the narration says so, but the panel evidence proves otherwise.

On panel evidence over rules narration.

Flash moved faster then light plain and simple.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
On Panel evidence over rules narration.

You can have a comic book narrating that Odin is omnipotent and on the next page get his ass beaten.

Logic says Odin is not really omnipotent even if narration says so.

On panel evidence over rules narration.

Flash moved faster then light plain and simple.

Actions speak louder than words

Those are numbers that can be used to calculate a speed that the writer didn't intend to use because he can't math.

Thankfully, the writer clearly stated the speed he intended Flash to be moving.

Case closed.

Originally posted by Mindset
Those are numbers that can be used to calculate a speed that the writer didn't intend to use because he can't math.

Thankfully, the writer clearly stated the speed he intended Flash to be moving.

Case closed.

Clearly stated to be carrying them at. 100% agree. He was very explicit on that point. Flash carried them under the speed of light.

And overall, evacuated 500,000 people 35 miles away, in 0.00001 microseconds. Very clearly stated.

It's clearly stated that this happened at speeds less than that of c.

Flash's C is better than real life C, also a possibility.

Who was the writer? I'll try to ask him myself which way to interpret his statements.

I just want an answer to this.

Oh, we must have different comics.

Mine only says that they were carried there under the speed of light.

Doesn't say anything about his speed when he's NOT carrying anyone.

What it DOES say, though, is the total time for the entire operation. And a rough approximation for the distance.

Since Marvelites love so much narration and what writters have to said after the comic is published.

Marvel loses here everytime. As per rules of the universes

Marvel speed barriers:
Speed of sound
Speed of light
Dimensional travel
Time travel

DC's speed barriers
Speed of sound
Speed of light
Dimensional travel
Time travel
Speed force

There is no speed force in Marvel that is why in Marvel no one is as fast as the Flash, canon.

So for those trying to scrap Flash feat, here we have a case of narration that according to you over rules any on panel display.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, we must have different comics.

Mine only says that they were carried there under the speed of light.

Doesn't say anything about his speed when he's NOT carrying anyone.

What it DOES say, though, is the total time for the entire operation. And a rough approximation for the distance.

Exactly. What if Flash ONLY carried them under C? But he was moving faster than C when not carrying anyone?

Flash goes back in time and wins the race

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Again, maybe the writer thinks that at light speed the time stops?