Thor vs. Avengers Hulk Rematch

Originally posted by carver9
Here is the vid for you again if you need to see it.

Jeez man, can you not see Thor has Hulk on the ropes for the majority of the fight:

"Thor smashes Hulk through the wall to save BW.

Hulk swings at Thor, Thor dodges.

Thor swings at Hulk and hits Hulk square in the face.

Hulk swings at Thor and Thor blocks, trying to reason with Hulk. Hulk ignores him and punches him anyway (clearly not holding back).

Thor has a bloody nose from the cheap shot. He now smiles and calls Mjolnir (i.e. he's not messing around anymore). And he sends Hulk smashing into the Jet plane.

Hulks even more angry now and throws a Jet Wing at Thor. Thor easily evades it, and throws Mjolnir at Hulk. Hulk tries to catch and ends up flying to the floor instead.

Hulk tries to lift Mjolnir to use against Thor to no avail. Thor Knees Hulk in the face.

Thor picks Mjolnir and jumps on Hulks back and starts choking him.

Hulk has no way to get Thor off so he jumps through the roof. They both fall on the floor. But Hulk gets up first.

Hulk finally grabs Thor and hits him against the floor a couple of times (speculation) then throws him. He walks over to Thor and the fight stops due to a distraction."

That is an exact description of the fight, beginning to end. How can anyone look at that and think Thor only got 2 legit hits on? And how can anyone not see Thor was winning for most the fight?
Ignoring saving BW there was the first fist punch- 1, the Mjolnir Hit- 2, The Mjolnir throw-3, the knee to the face while Hulk is desperately trying to use Mjolnir against Thor-4, the final Mjolnir choke while Thor is on Hulk's back-5.

5 legitimate hits, and 2 skillfull evasions of Hulk's hits (which are an extra embarrassment to Hulk).

Yes Hulk was winning at the end of the fight (which was embarrassing to Thor getting thrown around), no ones denying that.
But this is all without even one volt of Lightning in sight, and without any sort of flight being used, due to a close quarter fight in an enclosed environment a thousand feet in the air, with lots of people in danger.

I don't think he's going to understand your point, I mean we are talking about a guy that thinks Hulk getting too angry makes him weaker.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Thor wins 1, loses 2.

There was no need to go any further

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Jeez man, can you not see Thor has Hulk on the ropes for the majority of the fight:

"Thor smashes Hulk through the wall to save BW.

Hulk swings at Thor, Thor dodges.

Thor swings at Hulk and hits Hulk square in the face.

Hulk swings at Thor and Thor blocks, trying to reason with Hulk. Hulk ignores him and punches him anyway (clearly not holding back).

Thor has a bloody nose from the cheap shot. He now smiles and calls Mjolnir (i.e. he's not messing around anymore). And he sends Hulk smashing into the Jet plane.

Hulks even more angry now and throws a Jet Wing at Thor. Thor easily evades it, and throws Mjolnir at Hulk. Hulk tries to catch and ends up flying to the floor instead.

Hulk tries to lift Mjolnir to use against Thor to no avail. Thor Knees Hulk in the face.

Thor picks Mjolnir and jumps on Hulks back and starts choking him.

Hulk has no way to get Thor off so he jumps through the roof. They both fall on the floor. But Hulk gets up first.

Hulk finally grabs Thor and hits him against the floor a couple of times (speculation) then throws him. He walks over to Thor and the fight stops due to a distraction."

That is an exact description of the fight, beginning to end. How can anyone look at that and think Thor only got 2 legit hits on? And how can anyone not see Thor was winning for most the fight?
Ignoring saving BW there was the first fist punch- 1, the Mjolnir Hit- 2, The Mjolnir throw-3, the knee to the face while Hulk is desperately trying to use Mjolnir against Thor-4, the final Mjolnir choke while Thor is on Hulk's back-5.

5 legitimate hits, and 2 skillfull evasions of Hulk's hits (which are an extra embarrassment to Hulk).

Yes Hulk was winning at the end of the fight (which was embarrassing to Thor getting thrown around), no ones denying that.
But this is all without even one volt of Lightning in sight, and without any sort of flight being used, due to a close quarter fight in an enclosed environment a thousand feet in the air, with lots of people in danger.

I'm not reading all of this.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes Hulk was paying attention to the hammer. The difference here is that he's trying to pick up the hammer to use in the fight.... Thor/Loki was trying to talk to him. See the difference?

If someone was picking up a hammer to try and hit me with, I'd sure as hell punch him first. If someone was trying to talk to me though, punching him would make me an *******.

It's not whether your attention was on your opponent or not. It's whether your intention was to fight or not. Hulk was clearly trying to fight. Thor/Loki was trying to talk. See the difference?

Lol...this doesn't make one bit of sense. It doesn't matter if he was trying to pick up the hammer to use it or not, what we know is, his attention wasn't on Thor during that time and Thor attacked him. Using your crazy sneak attack way of debating, those points does not count.

Just because someone is talking doesn't mean they are not combating...what's wrong with you? Loki was looking right at Hulk when he got blitzed and didn't even see it coming. Then, what in the world are you talking about when it comes to fighting stance? This is Loki that we are talking about, not Bruce Lee. He wasn't in a fighting stance when he stabbed that guy in the back and he sure as hell wasn't in a fighting stance when he attacked Captain America. You are full of excuses, that's all I'm getting from you when I debate. How about this, show me Loki being in a fighting stance. Also, he was talking when he faced the frost Giants, Captain America, and the shield agents.

Abomination was talking when he fought Hulk in the movie...I guess that means he wasn't there to fight. Those is by far the weirdest debate I've been in. I am literally about to make a thread concerning this nonsense.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes Hulk was paying attention to the hammer. The difference here is that he's trying to pick up the hammer to use in the fight.... Thor/Loki was trying to talk to him. See the difference?

If someone was picking up a hammer to try and hit me with, I'd sure as hell punch him first. If someone was trying to talk to me though, punching him would make me an *******.

It's not whether your attention was on your opponent or not. It's whether your intention was to fight or not. Hulk was clearly trying to fight. Thor/Loki was trying to talk. See the difference?

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Hulk punching Thor was not in anyway a sucker punch. They were actively fighting at the time (Thor was blocking Hulk's attack) when he was hit.

Nor was THor's knee to the face a "sucker punch" as well. The only "sucker punch" in the entire fight was Thor's initial tackle.

Here we have Hulk asking Zeus for help and Zeus literally beats the crap out of him.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/5863060/Incredible_Hulks_622_006.jpg.html

I guess since we have Hulk asking Zeus to help him, that means this fight doesn't count against Hulk?

Originally posted by ares834
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Hulk punching Thor was not in anyway a sucker punch. They were actively fighting at the time (Thor was blocking Hulk's attack) when he was hit.

Nor was THor's knee to the face a "sucker punch" as well. The only "sucker punch" in the entire fight was Thor's initial tackle.

Exactly. What do you think about the Loki fight? Do you think that was a sucker shot?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Jeez man, can you not see Thor has Hulk on the ropes for the majority of the fight:

Uh, Hulk was never "on the ropes". But Thor was "on the ropes" at the end of the fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Exactly. What do you think about the Loki fight? Do you think that was a sucker shot?

I'd say no. I can see why some would say it is but Loki should have been expecting Hulk to attack. Personally, I'd say Hulk blitzed Loki there.

Originally posted by ares834
I'd say no. I can see why some would say it is but Loki should have been expecting Hulk to attack. Personally, I'd say Hulk blitzed Loki there.

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Originally posted by ares834
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Hulk punching Thor was not in anyway a sucker punch. They were actively fighting at the time (Thor was blocking Hulk's attack) when he was hit.

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Thor was trying to talk him out of fighting. If it wasn't a sucker punch, then it was hitting Thor while Thor was not wanting to fight/holding back.

Originally posted by ares834
I'd say no. I can see why some would say it is but Loki should have been expecting Hulk to attack. Personally, I'd say Hulk blitzed Loki there.

Blitz: (verb) To attack someone when they don't react.

As in "Sidious blitzed three guys who all but stood still" or "Hulk blitzed Loki who was too busy talking shit to go into combat posture".

Sometimes used to over-glorify a showing that is not really a combat showing, but a result of flat-footedness on behalf of the victim. i.e. "The alleyway rapist blitzed the drunk girl".

Also, Thor was doing better in that fight despite holding back entirely. No whirling of the hammer, no lightning, no flying with uber speeds, no throwing the hammer, etc. A large part of his mobility and powers were not in use, and he was not even trying to murder the guy at the expense of the others on the carrier.

Thor w/ Mjolnir holding back > Hulk pissed off by Loki-stick and beyond reasoning.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not reading all of this.

You should. It describes the whole fight without missing any of it out. And it's not even biased. It's just what happened.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You should. It describes the whole fight without missing any of it out. And it's not even biased. It's just what happened.

That's carver-speak for 'This hurts my pro-Hulk bias'.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
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Thor was trying to talk him out of fighting. If it wasn't a sucker punch, then it was hitting Thor while Thor was not wanting to fight/holding back.

What makes tku think Thor didn't want to fight? That one line he said? After that, Thor hit him with an upper cut, knee, and choke. Doesn't sound like someone that isn't fighting. Stop clinging to one line.

Originally posted by carver9
What makes tku think Thor didn't want to fight? That one line he said? After that, Thor hit him with an upper cut, knee, and choke. Doesn't sound like someone that isn't fighting. Stop clinging to one line.

A choke is a submission move, and not necessarily fatal if done properly.

Hulk is a part of the team, and Thor is not a murder-happy moron. He was trying to subdue Hulk and minimize danger to the others. If he wanted Hulk dead, he could superman the guy with his hammer at Mach 8000 as he did to the large ice creature.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
A choke is a submission move, and not necessarily fatal if done properly.

Hulk is a part of the team, and Thor is not a murder-happy moron. He was trying to subdue Hulk and minimize danger to the others. If he wanted Hulk dead, he could superman the guy with his hammer at Mach 8000 as he did to the large ice creature.

So is that the reason Thor hit Ironman with a lightning blast that powered his suit up to 400+% (when it was pretty freaking obvious Ironman wasn't an enemy). Is that the reason he did a dive bomb jump at Captain America, someone that would have died from his hammer strike (he attacked the guy because he said something about his hammer and he would have killed him if the hammer hit connected), because he follow the moral rule? Yeah, freaking right. He did this moments before fight Hulk and minutes before that, be was in a room arguing with the Avengers. Get that morality craziness out of here because he sure as heck wasn't holding back against Ironman or Cap and would have killed both if it wasn't due to circumstances/plot.

Ironman wasn't his ally at that point.

Try harder little buddy.

Originally posted by ares834
Uh, Hulk was never "on the ropes". But Thor was "on the ropes" at the end of the fight.

What a bunch of dumb inbred charlatans.