Right, and what this shows is that Cade is a very good fighter and a badass.
What it doesn't show is how he compares as a duelist to the likes of Obi-Wan and Anakin. By extension, it doesn't show if Talon somewhat holding her own against him is impressive enough to lend credence to the idea that she could take a majority against Ventress.
TzeentchWhat it doesn't show is how he compares as a duelist to the likes of Obi-Wan and Anakin.
Cade's fought Krayt. Hett's fought both Obi-wan and Anakin in his youth. Though, granted, when Hett was much different than he'd get.
Comparison across eras already involve some uncertainty, but Legacy's got more direct comparisons than most.
By extension, it doesn't show if Talon somewhat holding her own against him is impressive enough to lend credence to the idea that she could take a majority against Ventress.
Mind, I'm mostly arguing for her on Force power, TK and lightning, not saber dueling skill. I do think Ventress holds the edge there.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
That was random.
It turns out if you just say 'lol', people don't know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Q99
Mostly in force, not saber, and Cade is >>> Ventress in force.
Let's not go that far. Ventress' display of sheer raw power greatly exceeds that of Cade's. Their consistent showings with the force goes to Cade by a bit, however. Ventress has force blasted a mountain with enough force to cause a huge avalanche in one comic, and loses to Dooku just as easily as Cade loses to Krayt, which is a good direct comparison because the gap between Dooku and Krayt is pretty small.
The only thing Talon has on Ventress is lightning, which can be blocked. Ventress beats her pretty solidly; better saber feats and better force feats.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Let's not go that far. Ventress' display of sheer raw power greatly exceeds that of Cade's.
Yeah, I don't see that. Cade is a Skywalker.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Their consistent showings with the force goes to Cade by a bit, however. Ventress has force blasted a mountain with enough force to cause a huge avalanche in one comic,
Meh. Its not as if avalanches are that hard to cause.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The only thing Talon has on Ventress is lightning, which can be blocked. Ventress beats her pretty solidly; better saber feats and better force feats.
I'd put Talon ****ing up that floor on par with anything Ventress has done, barring her PMS-choking Obi-Wan and Anakin that one time.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, I don't see that. Cade is a Skywalker.
What's your point? Ventress has went toe to toe with the Skywalker, who only ever beats her handily when he's in rage mode. Cade's best feat in rage mode doesn't even come close to that of Ventress', which is choking both Anakin and Obi Wan at the same time.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Meh. Its not as if avalanches are that hard to cause.
True, if the avalanche is already about to fall. Considering they were fighting on it while the troopers were firing their blasters and it didn't cause it to fall, it didn't seem as if it was going to fall anytime too soon until Ventress blasted it. So I'd say it would have required a great deal of force to cause it to fall.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd put Talon ****ing up that floor on par with anything Ventress has done, barring her PMS-choking Obi-Wan and Anakin that one time.
Yeah, like what?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
What's your point? Ventress has went toe to toe with the Skywalker, who only ever beats her handily when he's in rage mode. Cade's best feat in rage mode doesn't even come close to that of Ventress', which is choking both Anakin and Obi Wan at the same time.
That Cade obviously has vastly superior sheer raw power than Ventress. Ventress doing l33t stuff in uber-rage mode doesn't compare to what a Skywalker can do in the same state aka Zonakin and Zonluke. Theres no way Ventress has anywhere close to the raw power of a Skywalker.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
True, if the avalanche is already about to fall. Considering they were fighting on it while the troopers were firing their blasters and it didn't cause it to fall, it didn't seem as if it was going to fall anytime too soon until Ventress blasted it. So I'd say it would have required a great deal of force to cause it to fall.
They were fighting under it. Idk, its not that impressive to me. Nowhere near Cade tanking that base explosion.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yeah, like what?
What do you mean?
Originally posted by Nephthys
That Cade obviously has vastly superior sheer raw power than Ventress. Ventress doing l33t stuff in uber-rage mode doesn't compare to what a Skywalker can do in the same state aka Zonakin and Zonluke. Theres no way Ventress has anywhere close to the raw power of a Skywalker.
Being a Skywalker doesn't mean you have the same potential as Anakin, let alone realized sheer raw power. Ventress "doing l33t stuff in uber-rage mode" isn't Ventress accessing an outside source of power, it's her using her own full raw power to it's full extent, which is something beyond anything Cade has done under similar circumstances. Cade may have greater potential than Ventress, but in terms of sheer raw power (full extent of power they're able to access at the time) Ventress has shown more. Potential and midi-chlorian count determines how powerful one can become in the future, but if they are not yet able to tap into that power then it doesn't yet belong to them, and is irrelevant for the time being.
Originally posted by Nephthys
They were fighting under it. Idk, its not that impressive to me. Nowhere near Cade tanking that base explosion.
It's pretty impressive to me. Tons of snow just resting up there, only to be brought down by a force blast. It must have been packed up there pretty tight considering the amount of snow/ice there was.
That wasn't TK cade used to block the explosion.
Originally posted by Nephthys
What do you mean?
What has Talon done to place her on Ventress' level?
Q posted it here:
Originally posted by Q99
Cade and Talon's final duel. Look at that force TK- that was a flat stone floor right before.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Being a Skywalker doesn't mean you have the same potential as Anakin, let alone realized sheer raw power. Ventress "doing l33t stuff in uber-rage mode" isn't Ventress accessing an outside source of power, it's her using her own full raw power to it's full extent, which is something beyond anything Cade has done under similar circumstances. Cade may have greater potential than Ventress, but in terms of sheer raw power (full extent of power they're able to access at the time) Ventress has shown more. Potential and midi-chlorian count determines how powerful one can become in the future, but if they are not yet able to tap into that power then it doesn't yet belong to them, and is irrelevant for the time being.
Yeah, but unless Cade had well less half of Anakins potential he's still got more than Ventress does. And I was talking about potential when I poke of sheer raw power, so I guess we're talking about two different things.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
It's pretty impressive to me. Tons of snow just resting up there, only to be brought down by a force blast. It must have been packed up there pretty tight considering the amount of snow/ice there was.That wasn't TK cade used to block the explosion.
~"Your gut says its good, my gut says its not! Why not put our guts together and end this funky feud!"~
Ahem. Well then I guess we should agree to disagree. I don't think its too impressive and you do but without more info or some hard SCIENCE! we're not gonna get anywhere here.
