There may be more mass but it's in a softer material. Cade and Talon are essentially fighting on dirt. Breaking (relatively) loosely packed earth isn't in the same league as casually ripping out a stone support pillar that is packed and designed specifically to support hundreds of thousands of pounds of weight. You could replicate Talon's feat in a few minutes with a hydraulic breaker. It would take hours for said machine to drill through a pillar of the size displayed, though.
Originally posted by ares834
So is TOR. 😐See I can make baseless claims as well.
Also Ventress was choking both Anakin and Kenobi simultaneously in the CW. Frankly, that's quite a bit more impressive than throwing around a boulder.
No, its not. Tartosvsky's series is exaggerated because the characters in it perform well above what they do in their other appearances. They are exaggerations of what the characters usually can do. TOR is not.
Rage-induced. You may as well have pointed out Zonakin. 🙄
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, its not. Tartosvsky's series is exaggerated because the characters in it perform well above what they do in their other appearances. They are exaggerations of what the characters usually can do. TOR is not.
So based on your opinion and not anything concrete? K. It's still considered canon.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Rage-induced. You may as well have pointed out Zonakin. 🙄
So you're dismissing more of her feats... 😂
Originally posted by Tzeentch
There may be more mass but it's in a softer material. Cade and Talon are essentially fighting on dirt. Breaking (relatively) loosely packed earth isn't in the same league as casually ripping out a stone support pillar that is packed and designed specifically to support hundreds of thousands of pounds of weight. You could replicate Talon's feat in a few minutes with a hydraulic breaker. It would take hours for said machine to drill through a pillar of the size displayed, though.
That is the floor of the Jedi Temple. It is not soft, it is solid stone 🙂 (Nor does dirt hold together like it clearly does)
Also, Asajj pulled the pillar out from between two places of stone- it was not connected, weight held it in place.
And, of course, TCW Asajj cannot do the like.
Originally posted by ares834
The whole point of those episodes were that Ventress had grown to such an extent that Palpatine wanted her eliminated. Dismissing it simply because she was pissed is silly.
Okaaaay........
You know that not even Dooku can choke out Anakin normally, let alone Anakin and Kenobi simultaneously? You know, the Dooku who kicked her ass a few episodes later?
Dismissing the Tartakovsky series on account of it being exaggerated is somewhat shortsighted. Sure, in comparison to TCW and the prequels, it is. But in comparison to the greater EU, it's hardly out of place. Most of the other more ridiculous EU feats would likewise not have happened had those characters been in a series like TCW. It's a matter of comparing like to like. If you're going solely by higher canon, then the EU stuff doesn't exist at all. If you drop down a bit, then the microseries should also be fair game. Otherwise you're left with a situation where canonically powerful force users are beyond pathetic when compared to even some mooks from different eras (barring a few feats, to be fair). It's just an even bigger mess than you started out with.
Originally posted by A Terrible Rod
Dismissing the Tartakovsky series on account of it being exaggerated is somewhat shortsighted. Sure, in comparison to TCW and the prequels, it is. But in comparison to the greater EU, it's hardly out of place. Most of the other more ridiculous EU feats would likewise not have happened had those characters been in a series like TCW. It's a matter of comparing like to like. If you're going solely by higher canon, then the EU stuff doesn't exist at all. If you drop down a bit, then the microseries should also be fair game. Otherwise you're left with a situation where canonically powerful force users are beyond pathetic when compared to even some mooks from different eras (barring a few feats, to be fair). It's just an even bigger mess than you started out with.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
You know that not even Dooku can choke out Anakin normally,
He can't seem to choke an ultra pissed Anakin whilst in the middle of a Saber fight with him. But he did kick slam a slightly pissed Anakin whilst casually force choking Kenobi in ROTS. And that was mid-Saber fight, being simultaneously attacked by both.
That's quite a bit greater than Ventress's feat I'd say.
For me, it's all about consistency. I don't think it'd be reasonable to bring up Mace's telekinetic creaming of a battle droid army when we see him struggling to move small transports in newer canon, whereas Ventress hurling trees and boulders is consistent with her other showings from a different media, such as causing an avalanche.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
For me, it's all about consistency. I don't think it'd be reasonable to bring up Mace's telekinetic creaming of a battle droid army when we see him struggling to move small transports in newer canon, whereas Ventress hurling trees and boulders is consistent with her other showings from a different media, such as causing an avalanche.
Either we take the shows feats or we don't. You can't just say "yeah those feats make sense for Ventress but not for Windu" LOL
This discussion is irrelevant. XSUPREMEXSKILLZ said we aren't using Tartakovsky feats and its his battlezone.
Originally posted by ares834
Yeah, it's a crazy good feat.👆
Well something sure is crazy alright.
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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He can't seem to choke an ultra pissed Anakin whilst in the middle of a Saber fight with him. But he did kick slam a slightly pissed Anakin whilst casually force choking Kenobi in ROTS. And that was mid-Saber fight, being simultaneously attacked by both.That's quite a bit greater than Ventress's feat I'd say.
Dooku can't choke him out period. Dooku was panting from the sheer effort of just knocking out an Anakin who was being electrocuted by stunpikes. Furthermore, Anakin and Kenobi proved that together they can resist his TK in their latest CW fight.
Whaaaat, no its not. 😬 Kicking someone isn't the same as Force choking them, duh. Its not nearly as impressive a Force feat.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
For me, it's all about consistency. I don't think it'd be reasonable to bring up Mace's telekinetic creaming of a battle droid army when we see him struggling to move small transports in newer canon, whereas Ventress hurling trees and boulders is consistent with her other showings from a different media, such as causing an avalanche.
As far as considering the EU as a whole, I wouldn't say that the force-users' general weakness is indicative of those characters as a whole, but simply the lower end of their showings. Otherwise you end up comparing a guy who can't yank his lightsaber out of some muggle's hand to a guy who can vaporize boulders, and God help someone who wants to argue in favor of the former, even if that character is supposed to be really good.
I wouldn't bring levels of canonicity into it at all unless both characters have sufficient feats within that level of canon.
Originally posted by Nephthys
This discussion is irrelevant. XSUPREMEXSKILLZ said we aren't using Tartakovsky feats and its his battlezone.
Feel free to think it irrelevant, though. I just don't think that dismissing feats from powerful characters (and it's not like Windu and Yoda are anything but) just because they pass some arbitrarily-decided threshold of acceptability is something that we should be doing, at least in the scope of the EU as a whole.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I just explained why we can.
And your explanation is lame bro.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku can't choke him out period. Dooku was panting from the sheer effort of just knocking out an Anakin who was being electrocuted by stunpikes.
He actually did Force choke him first. And followed it up by KO'ing him with FL. And I wouldn't look much into his panting face, as he gives a similar panting face in the latest episode after he just throws a few guards, and before he even engages Obi-Wan and Anakin.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Furthermore, Anakin and Kenobi proved that together they can resist his TK in their latest CW fight.
The 2 of them combined resisted a one handed force push.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Whaaaat, no its not. 😬 Kicking someone isn't the same as Force choking them, duh. Its not nearly as impressive a [b]Force feat. [/B]
Urm what... The guy kick slammed him with a force enhanced kick, whilst simultaneously force choking and throwing Kenobi, and all in the middle of a lightsaber battle when they were both attacking him simultaneously.
Compare that to Kenobi and Anakin having Ventress disarmed and giving her a chance to surrender, so she takes advantage by attacking them both with the Force.
Dooku's feat was definitely a more impressive combat feat, which included a good load of Force powers. Dooku's feat left Kenobi KO'd and Skywalker floored. Ventress's feat didn't leave either opponent KO'd or Floored.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And your explanation is lame bro.
Originally posted by A Terrible Rod
As far as considering the EU as a whole, I wouldn't say that the force-users' general weakness is indicative of those characters as a whole, but simply the lower end of their showings.