The Battlezone! Round 1 Match 2: Darth Talon vs Asajj Ventress (S5)

Can you provide an actual argument for why Talon is on Ventress' level?

edit- Also, calling those things "branches" is a bit of a misnomer. They were taller and thicker than Anakin's entire body, lol. Each of them would be weighing at least several hundred pounds.

edit- Also, re-watching that fight, she ripped a support column out a wall and tossed it a few dozen meters at Anakin. That's a pretty impressive feat... stone pillars weigh dozens of tons, and are designed to support the weight of hundreds, to thousands of tons. So... to casually rip one out of a ceiling like that is actually really, really interesting.

Then again, said pillar also landed on her after Anakin threw it back, and she casually just pushed it off of her. So, the whole feat s probably just toonforce (in the same vein as Mace jumping thousands of feet and the like).

Any final arguments from Q99? Or anyone for that matter? Declaring victor soon

Originally posted by Tzeentch
, the whole feat s probably just toonforce (in the same vein as Mace jumping thousands of feet and the like).

yeah i'm pretty sure the whole thing is noted as exaggerated/n-canon.

Give it to tomorrow at least imo.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
Can you provide an actual argument for why Talon is on Ventress' level?

edit- Also, calling those things "branches" is a bit of a misnomer. They were taller and thicker than Anakin's entire body, lol. Each of them would be weighing at least several hundred pounds.

edit- Also, re-watching that fight, she ripped a support column out a wall and tossed it a few dozen meters at Anakin. That's a pretty impressive feat... stone pillars weigh dozens of tons, and are designed to support the weight of hundreds, to thousands of tons. So... to casually rip one out of a ceiling like that is actually really, really interesting.

Then again, said pillar also landed on her after Anakin threw it back, and she casually just pushed it off of her. So, the whole feat s probably just toonforce (in the same vein as Mace jumping thousands of feet and the like).

Blasting apart the floor with TK, lightning and pretty good dueling ability. I've made this fairly clear.

Logs would be more accurate, probably.

Well yeah, this is CWC we're talking about. Crazy Force usage is to be expected. In an earlier episode she rips massive boulders out of a cavern ceiling too.

If "blasting apart the floor with TK, lightning and pretty good dueling ability" is the sole argument for her being on Ventress' level, then it's not a very good argument. That's why I'm asking for one to be presented.

I shouldn't even have to tell you how lazy "pretty good dueling ability" and "well she lost to this one guy who's pretty good" is for an argument. 😐 Come on, man.

Yeah i'll probably give it till tomorrow afternoon.

Originally posted by Tzeentch

edit- Also, calling those things "branches" is a bit of a misnomer. They were taller and thicker than Anakin's entire body, lol. Each of them would be weighing at least several hundred pounds.

Sure, but conversely, Talon ripped up stone many times bigger than her entire body. Twice her height, multiple times her width.

link.

That's tens of tons, in addition to the force required to break it out of the floor.

If we're still using Tartovsky Clone War's feats, what Assaj did with the support pillar is vastly superior to Talon's feat there.

Asajj wins

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If we're still using Tartovsky Clone War's feats, what Assaj did with the support pillar is vastly superior to Talon's feat there.

it's noted as exaggerated material, is it not?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If "blasting apart the floor with TK, lightning and pretty good dueling ability" is the sole argument for her being on Ventress' level, then it's not a very good argument. That's why I'm asking for one to be presented.

I shouldn't even have to tell you how lazy "pretty good dueling ability" and "well she lost to this one guy who's pretty good" is for an argument. 😐 Come on, man.

And most of the arguments for Ventress have been 'well she did pretty well but still lost against these guys who are pretty good.' I haven't seen you make an argument, tough guy.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If we're still using Tartovsky Clone War's feats, what Assaj did with the support pillar is vastly superior to Talon's feat there.

We're not.

Q compared the tree feat to Talon's feat, so obviously he is, at least.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
If we're still using Tartovsky Clone War's feats, what Assaj did with the support pillar is vastly superior to Talon's feat there.

It's got a couple times less volume/mass of rock than Talon's, and that's a Tartovsky feat.

I think it says a lot that it does take Tartovsky feats to get Ventresses' force level near Talon's. Normal Ventress, not even close. And there's still lightning and such.

Yeah, we aren't using Tartovsky feats tho.

Originally posted by Q99
It's got a couple times less volume/mass of rock than Talon's, and that's a Tartovsky feat.

I think it says a lot that it does take Tartovsky feats to get Ventresses' force level near Talon's. Normal Ventress, not even close. And there's still lightning and such.

They're both tartovsky feats. The tree throwing and the pillar throwing happened in the same fight.

I don't know if I'm on drugs, or you guys are.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
They're both tartosvsky feats.

I feel like I'm losing my mind.

Talon's isn't. The branch and the pillar is. The branch is much less than Talon's, the pillar is in the same league.

Only Tartosvsky Ventress approaches Talon in force (though Talon *still* has lightning over her).

And we aren't using Tartosvsky, we're using TCW S5 Ventress.

TCW S5 Ventress certainly is well behind Talon in the force.

I KNOW TALON'S ISN'T. I'M CONFUSED WHY YOU KEEP SAYING NO TARTOVSKY FEATS WHILE CONTINUING TO DISCUSS THE TREE THROWING THOUGH, SINCE THE TREE THROWING IS A TARTOVSKY FEAT.

The pillar feat isn't equal to the ground crushing, though. It's superior. You would need a lot more force to rip out a support pillar and hurl it several dozen meters than you would need to tear up the ground like that.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I KNOW TALON'S ISN'T. I'M CONFUSED WHY YOU KEEP SAYING NO TARTOVSKY FEATS WHILE CONTINUING TO DISCUSS THE TREE THROWING THOUGH, SINCE THE TREE THROWING IS A TARTOVSKY FEAT.

You brought up the branch and pillar in the first place ^^;;

And the point remains: The only version of Ventress who's around Talon's level in the force is one we're not using. Therefore Talon has a fairly significant force advantage here.

The pillar feat isn't equal to the ground crushing, though. It's superior. You would need a lot more force to rip out a support pillar and hurl it several dozen meters than you would need to tear up the ground like that.

There's a couple times more mass in the ground feat, though, and it is hard to rip apart stone.

They're in the same general league.

Why aren't we using Genndy's series?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
it's noted as exaggerated material, is it not?

According to Filoni, sure. But Filoni also says the EU is non-canon.

But it really is exaggerated. A lot.