Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Gonna decide winner soon. Both sides provide your final arguments now.
Btw, it's ok to put up threads at a faster rate, we don't need to wait for the current ones to finish.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Before I give my own analysis I have a question: How badly did Cade lose to Krayt in sabers?
First time they fought: Quite badly. Cade was flat overpowered and driven to his knees.
Second time: Not so badly. The fight took more time, including some off-page time, Cade avoided force-pushes (that shattered stone), blocked lightning, closed to melee, cut away to other stuff, cut back, they're exchanging saber blows, then Krayt grabbed his chest and hit him with a dark transfer kill.
Sabers: Talon has stalemated Cade Skywalker on multiple occasions, who in turn was able to fight Darth Krayt pretty well in sabers, Krayt being a master swordsman. Meanwhile, Ventress has performed well against Anakin, kenobi, Grevious, and even managed to fight well against Mace Windu.
Edge: While Talon is certainly no scrub as a duelist, Ventress gets the edge due to having performed well against more impressive duelists. However, one thing to take into account here is the inconsistency of the TCW series. For example, Anakin has stalemated Ventress multiple times, yet also stalemated the likes of Dooku when they fought.
Force: Although she is usually beaten by Cade through force abilities, in one of her battles she was able to shatter and lift a large portion of a stone floor, in mid duel. As the Tartovsky feats Ventress performs are inconsistent to what she is usually shown to do in duels/combat, I will not be using them for the sake of this battle. That said, Ventress has caused an avalanche, simultaneously choked both Kenobi and Anakin (although she was in an uber rage mode, she isn't normally capable of such power), destroyed a celing, etc. Another factor to take into account is Talon's lightning, which although is possible to be blocked, could provide a significant advantage throughout the fight.
Edge: While Ventress definitely has more force feats, they aren't neccesarily more impressive than Talon's. That said, Talon's lightning would give her the edge in a pure force confrontation.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Talon has stalemated Cade Skywalker on multiple occasions, who in turn was able to fight Darth Krayt pretty well in sabers, Krayt being a master swordsman.
Cade never fought "pretty well" against Krayt in sabers. In the final comic, they fight and we only see them clash sabers once. Unless the fight took place almost entirely off panel, the fight would have ended in seconds.
Originally posted by ares834
Cade never fought "pretty well" against Krayt in sabers. In the final comic, they fight and we only see them clash sabers once. Unless the fight took place almost entirely off panel, the fight would have ended in seconds.
Even the first time he didn't fall that quickly, and he did physically dodge Krayt's force attacks, greater speed that he had before. Before the cut he was jumping through lightning at Krayt with his saber, after they were clashing saber, and, notably, they seemed to have moved location some! They were previously right next to a very tall pillar/building/wall/something, and when they cut back they had moved away from it.
So considering they just closed to saber range at the cut, and the fight moved some during the cut, yes, they were clashing in saber for some amount of time (could be 10-20 seconds, could be longer).
Yes. Note how they're by large structures in page 1 and 2 that tower over them, and after the gap, they're by the edge of the roof, and the thing Cade collapses against is clearly a much much smaller structure shorter than Krayt.
It is annoying that a good chunk of it is offscreen, but they managed to shift locations significantly during the fight.
