Q Continuum vs God

Originally posted by Epicurus
Quinn had an agenda to commit suicide here and wanted to undermine the Q in whatever way possible. He also initially hid his true nature from the Enterprise before Q revealed to them what was going on. Devious and deceptive character.

It was feared by the crew and Q that Quinn was capable of overnight evolving humanity into a race of godlike beings if left to his own devices. So that type of a feat should be fairly easy for them to replicate.

But was it ever shown of him being in two places at one is what I'm getting at. That shows some omnipotence if he can be.

Basically, going by screenfeats only, MorganGod is weaker. His "all" consisted of Heaven and one universe ONLY. At no point was the Almightyverse shown to be a multiverse. Star Trek is an infinite multiverse, and the Q's control over that gives them a wider range of power. Based on screenfeats and logic and not interpretation of hyperbole, Q are more powerful and win.

Originally posted by Robtard
Quote has been posted. So it is you who is playing games.

And this is why he lost to the monster Typhon? Feared Nyx? Couldn't save his own daughter from her uncle? Was tricked by Prometheus? Points proven indeed.

We're talking about fictional beings; not reality. "lol" indeed. You clearly can't grasp what the One-Above-All is in Marvel, despite me trying.

Sorry, I don't partake in whatever Comic Vs nonsense you seem to be talking about. You Ad Hominem attacks do tell me that you're both upset and known you're wrong.

No. You made a claim "Zeus is omnipotent", didn't back it up and then ignored the instances out of classical Greek Mythology where it's shown that Zeus is not omnipotent because they don't agree with you.

IIRC, he never lost to anyone in the Orphic literature. So no, you bringing up his supposed low showings from other texts even while ignoring me poignantly referring to a particular depiction of Zeus as a literal omnipotent patriarch is yet another instance of awful debating on your part.

Do you not even realize that by claiming that Morweh is supreme over "all" that you include our own reality in it? Or did the simple meaning of the word "all" somehow escape you? Or is yet another special pleading fallacy where "all" only encompasses the Almightyverse, and somehow the Trekverse as well, but leaves out everything else?

That nonsense actually highlights how far people are willing to go to ascribe to crazy theories about fictional characters. The way you're doing right now.

I did, you missed it. You on the other hand relied on the Bible to back your claims for a movie character, and generally have refused to acknowledge that omnipotent tier characters, like their finitely powerful counterparts, should be gauged on screenfeats instead of faith-based bias.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Basically, going by screenfeats only, MorganGod is weaker. His "all" consisted of Heaven and one universe ONLY. At no point was the Almightyverse shown to be a multiverse. Star Trek [b]is an infinite multiverse, and the Q's control over that gives them a wider range of power. Based on screenfeats and logic and not interpretation of hyperbole, Q are more powerful and win. [/B]

What is your definition of a multi verse though, the known universe is a huge place and ST is based off leaving earth to explore the universe, what other universes have been shown to classify it a infinite universe?

I thought Heaven, Hell, Earth, Universe were completely different places thus classifying them as different universes. Given that this universe is unknown and according to science expanding and we never will know how big it really is, does that not classify it as infinite in terms of human understanding?

By asking me that, you basically ackowdledge that you are debating this thread out ignorance by not having seen TNG, because you clearly never saw the numerous episodes where the multiverse was shown, such as the one where Warf was going into alternate timelines. What classifies it as infinite is that it is clearly a MWI-style multiverse where every possible quantum outcome is achieved, thus making it infinite, due to infinite possibilities.

Yeah, that's 3 universes. the ST multiverse is..well..infinitely larger. And what occurred in this universe before the Big Bang is unknown. Everything that occurred after the Planck epoch is 100% indisputable fact, including the fact that Earth did not come before the stars, which means the Biblical God does not apply to this universe. Matter of fact, if you are arguing our universe is infinite, since the ST multiverse is more like our reality than the Bible, you are arguing that the Q have control over an infinite amount of infinite-sized worlds. You're making the Q even more powerful than previously determined 🙂

Originally posted by Lestov16
By asking me that, you basically ackowdledge that you are debating this thread out ignorance by not having seen TNG, because you clearly never saw the [b]numerous episodes where the multiverse was shown, such as the one where Warf was going into alternate timelines. What classifies it as infinite is that it is clearly a MWI-style multiverse where every possible quantum outcome is achieved, thus making it infinite, due to infinite possibilities.

Yeah, that's 3 universes. the ST multiverse is..well..infinitely larger. And what occurred in this universe before the Big Bang is unknown. Everything that occurred after the Planck epoch is 100% indisputable fact, including the fact that Earth did not come before the stars, which means the Biblical God does not apply to this universe. Matter of fact, if you are arguing our universe is infinite, since the ST multiverse is more like our reality than the Bible, you are arguing that the Q have control over an infinite amount of infinite-sized worlds. You're making the Q even more powerful than previously determined 🙂 [/B]

Im asking you based of what You're concept of a infinite universe and mulit verse. Quit twisting my words.

And I was not debating in the thread for either side.

I never was arguing that Q have control over them, again quit twisting my words.

Originally posted by Epicurus
And nowhere in the quote is it stated that he is omnipotent or infinite. That's just you making stuff up.

IIRC, he never lost to anyone in the Orphic literature. So no, you bringing up his supposed low showings from other texts even while ignoring me poignantly referring to a particular depiction of Zeus as a literal omnipotent patriarch is yet another instance of awful debating on your part.

Do you not even realize that by claiming that Morweh is supreme over "all" that you include our own reality in it? Or did the simple meaning of the word "all" somehow escape you? Or is yet another special pleading fallacy where "all" only encompasses the Almightyverse, and somehow the Trekverse as well, but leaves out everything else?

That nonsense actually highlights how far people are willing to go to ascribe to crazy theories about fictional characters. The way you're doing right now.

I did, you missed it. You on the other hand relied on the Bible to back your claims for a movie character, and generally have refused to acknowledge that omnipotent tier characters, like their finitely powerful counterparts, should be gauged on screenfeats instead of faith-based bias.

Correct, he didn't outright say "Bruce, I am omnipotent and infinite". He said it using other words/phrases. Sorry you didn't get the meaning.

You must not recall correctly. The monster Typhon, Persephone, Prometheus are all out of Greek mythology. Saying "Ophric Texts" over and over won't make that go away.

Please leave the real world out of this, as you were the one complaining earlier about the Bible. We're discussing from a fictional viewpoint.

Okay, I'll bite. Where did you post it? Incorrect, you have trouble understanding what Morgan-God represents as a fictional character, despite my patience.

My apologies then

Originally posted by Robtard
Correct, he didn't outright say "Bruce, I am omnipotent and infinite". He said it using other words/phrases. Sorry you didn't get the meaning.

So basically hyperbole. You seem to enjoy posting a lot of interpretative hyperbole and a grand total of zero actual visible screenfeats.

Originally posted by Epicurus
1. I wholeheartedly agree that Bruce's powers were considerably limited, and he had some pretty shitty constraints placed on his abilities as opposed to Riker, who had the full potential of a Q. They both had theur powers taken away, so not seeing your point here.
2. Yes they did. Q was responsible for the creation of the alternate timeline which Piccard was stuck in, and Q later on got rid of the same timeline as if the entire incident never happened.
3. It's spelled as "omnipotence". The Q have it as supported by Junior's admission of his unlimited control over space, time and matter.
4. Did God ever demonstrate tp?
5. Lol, what a dumbass. Morweh was also nothing more than a glorified illusionist as well, going by your fecal logic.

1. Fail. You'll have to do better than childish replies.
2. Nope, that was an illusion. All in Picard's head. We saw Picard on the table, the whole time. The burden of proof is on you to prove that it wasn't the ol' Brain in a Vat scenario, which, by all accounts, it was. Additionally, even if you are correct that Q created another universe, it still falls under the "pocket universe" in that it was limited to just what Picard could see and it was not an entire universe: still weaker than omnipotent. 😄
3. Did you just correct my spelling? Surely you did not just correct my spelling? And he did not have unlimited control. It can be taken away so it is not omnipotence. 😄 Also, the Q have been shown to be limited in their power. 😄
4. Yes. Bruce can hear all the prayers. ahahahaah, fail. 😄
5. I accept your concession. Let the butthurt flow through you.

Originally posted by Epicurus
This is downright awful. Your entire argument(the prime basis of which is to get into a needless flamewar with me) is rooted in demanding feat after feat for the Q, and then dismiss it as illusion or not on Morweh's scale when said feat is proven to you.

Everything you said here is false. Like always, you have a warped sense of reality. But we both know youz juss trollin', as usual. Bored as hell. Look at how much you reply to people and with such vitriol. haha

Oh man.

Originally posted by Epicurus
When asked to do the same for Freeman-God, you do a 180 and pull off the same crap which dishonest theists do in real life; he's God ergo he wins by default. No need to provide feats, no need to actually give a sound reasoning as to why his feats are better than the Q, no, no need for any of that.

None of that is true. I didn't really provide any "feats" until this post. And if I did, they were shitty off-handed or indirect references. Nigga, you iz confusing me for other posters.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I don't know what's worse in your case; relying on the bible as proof in a forum match or having your head so far up your ass that it becomes impossible to decide where you begin and the ass ends.

Again, you're trying too hard to be witty but it comes out as clumsy and definitely unfunny. You should leave the wit to people like focus and Sadako. Just stick to the elementary school insults and trolling like you usually do.

Enjoy this gif:

Originally posted by Epicurus
Apparently I might have discovered proof that 1+1=1 in the form of the inbred retard known as dadudemon on these forums.🙂

But...you really really and truly did not. 🙁

I mean, think about what you're posting here, for a bit. Do you see how stupid it is? Do you see how trying to characterize my point the way you are is not even trolling but makes you look like an idiot? I get the trolling stuff...haha, hyuck hyuck, but this doesn't help you troll, bro. It just makes you look dumb to everyone. That's not how you're supposed to troll.

Seriously, ask everyone if they think you're even remotely close to a good point.

Originally posted by Epicurus
The Q are actually described as being omnipotent in the series,

Q claimed omnipotence which was demonstrably false and contradicted by his comrades. 🙂

Ever hear of the "Villain boast"? 😉

Originally posted by Lestov16
There are actual pocket universes in Star Trek, and they don't resemble anything the Q have ever created.

Every point you made in this statement is incorrect.

No pocket universes exist in the canon Star Trek universe except for the ones I referred to: the ones the Q create. 😄

But I am willing to concede this point if you can cite a single source and for that example to contradict the pocket universes that the Q create. 😄

"Remember Me"

Dr. Crusher was almost trapped in a pocket universe. Wasn't the kind that Q create.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Quinn had an agenda to commit suicide here and wanted to undermine the Q in whatever way possible. He also initially hid his true nature from the Enterprise before Q revealed to them what was going on. Devious and deceptive character.

It was feared by the crew and Q that Quinn was capable of overnight evolving humanity into a race of godlike beings if left to his own devices. So that type of a feat should be fairly easy for them to replicate.

Again with the Quinn stuff.

Quinn was probably the only truthful person about the Q in all of Star Trek. What he said regarding the Q is the most accurate information we have. It doesn't fit your agenda. Too bad. 🙂 Deal with it.

Originally posted by Lestov16
"Remember Me"

Dr. Crusher was almost trapped in a pocket universe. Wasn't the kind that Q create.

Actually, that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about and it supports my position, not yours.

The only difference is: the Q can create stable ones. 🙂 In fact, it so closely resembles the "illusion" that Q created for Picard that it seems like the same exact thing. The only difference is Q creates stable ones.

I thank you for proving my point, good sir!

Nope. No dialogue and nothing else the Qs did support your claim. And you ignore that they can create and erase alternate timelines as well. You are clearly just ignoring evidence and putting your own subjective spin on it now. You're essentially juggerquanning.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Nope. No dialogue and nothing else the Qs did support your claim.

What claim?

You cannot just make accusations or statements like that with no context. I've made many many many statements.

Originally posted by Lestov16
And you ignore that they can create and erase alternate timelines as well.

We do not know if they can actually do that. We do not know where the illusions start and stop. And even if they can time travel, nothing indicates that they can directly erase "timelines." That's not the same as ominipotence. That is simple time-travel.

AGAIN.. when did the Q create a universe.. I don't want hyperbole I want the episode in which this happened.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
AGAIN.. when did the Q create a universe.. I don't want hyperbole I want the episode in which this happened.

Season 8 Episode 1: "It Never Happened"

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
AGAIN.. when did the Q create a universe.. I don't want hyperbole I want the episode in which this happened.