Q Continuum vs God

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree, it's the fact that he is omnipotent that makes him omnipotent unlike the Q who have been demonstrated multiple times to not be omnipotent. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon

*versatile

And I am allowed change my mind when I have been proven wrong. There is no shame in that. Only shame in continuing to be an ignorant idiot.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So is it settled, then? The Q are not only omnipotent but they have an even better version of omnipotence than God (locally changing the gravitational constant rather than on a universal scale)?

Originally posted by dadudemon

I guess you haven't heard of discrete math and Hilbert's Infinite Hotel? Yes, you definitely haven't. 🙂

Look at me, I'm smarter and more educated than you. I am soooo superior to you. peaches

Originally posted by dadudemon

lol

Nothing about that, at all, is ringing a bell for you?

Originally posted by dadudemon

This is wrong. I already provided another religious source that pretty much describes ToAA. 🙂

haha, you're trolling. No way you're serious.

Which is such an awful leap in logic, I doubt that you can leap back from it.

Originally posted by dadudemon

For more information, I refer you to deez nutz.

Tell me something, were you possibly the product of 1+1=1? 😂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, except for the part where Q says that the Q were once like humans in reference to their abilities and that humans will one day become like the Q (but more powerful).

At this point, you're going out of your way to play word semantics. The Q didn't just spontaneously become godlike. That's expressly not how Q described it.

The implications of the episode and the conversation surrounding it is basically indicating that the humans would progress, technologically, enough to ascend into a Q-like state...and then beyond.

edit - Omega Vision is correct. Even if they gave themselves some super advanced form of gene therapy to ascend from human-like to godlike, that's still technologically based.

It's not semantics, it's a matter of feats. Literally nothing Morweh did is beyond the capabilities of the Q.

1. Granting godlike power to mortals? Check.
2. The ability to create a universe? Check.
3. Complete and absolute control over matter and energy? Check.
4. Telepathic power? Check.
5. Reality Warping? Check.

All in all, Morweh vs a single Q would be a decent match-up, something to debate about. Pitting him against an entire dimension's worth of such beings? That is spite.

Originally posted by marwash22
okay, OV posted a vid in the other thread and it got me interested the Q character. I don't have time to watch a bunch of episodes, but i read the wiki on Q.

First off, the way they call themselves The Q, while also being named Q and coming from The Q Continuum, is confusing af...

g007-psyduck

there had to have been an easier way.

Anyhow, a few things stuck out to me, (1) they can have their powers taken away, (2) they can be killed, (3) they weren't always what they are, they apparently evolved into their current state, and (4) they can apparently be influenced by lesser beings.

All of those things speak to them not being omnipotent.

The Q are reality warpers, and i wonder about the logic behind saying a reality warper (granted, a really high level one) is more powerful than a being who created the very reality they are manipulating.

What proof do you have that Morgan Freeman's version of the Biblical God is the actual Biblical God? Or that the Biblical God is the actual creator of the universe, as opposed to the patriarchs of any pagan pantheon or a mythological demiurge?

Unless someone brings definitive proof that the biblical God is the omnipotent creator of this reality(which alone is)

Reality warpers can easily create universes. I am guessing you've never heard of the Beyonder, Haruhi Suzumiya or Franklin Richards.

Originally posted by marwash22
The internets say the bible exists in the Star Trek universe, as do other references to Christianity and other faiths. The internets also say that most of the characters in Star Trek are pretty much non-theists/atheists who value science over religion... makes sense considering it's a SCIENCE fiction show. However, the existence of the bible and other real world faiths within Star Trek's universe more than suggests that it's like real life (except obviously fictionalized) wherein the existence of God is incapable of being completely proved or disproved.

Now, since the bible exists in Star Trek, and MorganGod is a version of the literal creator the bible in both the real world and the Star Trek universe speaks of, wouldn't that make MorganGod the literal creator of the Star Trek universe and subsequently, the Q?

This post reeks of so many layers of fail, I can't tell where the words begin and the fail ends.

I may be misremembering, but didn't Janeway and them actually hold a Q hostage? During their civil war they took one of the weapons and got the jump on one of them. I think the Q actually stopped and complied at gunpoint. Yes it was really some super weapon, but the fact that he didn't simply make it vanish or something should speak of them having limitations.

Though the Q could just vary in power, it's been a while since I've seen it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, he did.

Except Zeus isn't the "supreme being" even in classic Greek religion. He's not 'the beginning and the end of all', he's little more than a bisexual with daddy issues and a penchant for bestiality. You don't even religion, dude.

edit: Just realized Nemebro and classical Zeus share some similarities

You're just coming off as mad now. Morgan-God was God. The infinite being above all others. As he stated.

You're still not getting the concept of "God" as the one and only infinite being. ie the "Supreme Being", singular.

Zeus is described to be omnipotent in Orphic mythology. Zeus is also far more powerful than the demiurges that made the Greekmythverse. Something tells me you haven't done your homework about Greek gods.

Morweh was nothing remotely close to what you're suggesting. His entire plan was flawed, and it came off as an egomaniac poking and prodding lesser beings for no good reason at all. There are millions of people like Bruce in the world, yet it is never explained why only Jim Carrey was chosen to receive the power. There are millions of people like Evan, yet it is never explain why Steve Carell was chosen to be Noah 2.0. God works not only works in mysterious ways, he works in ways that make no sense and would make George Bush seem like an intellectual in comparison.

You're still not grasping the concept of Abstract-level beings, and how fiction is littered with dozens of such Supreme Beings.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I may be misremembering, but didn't Janeway and them actually hold a Q hostage? During their civil war they took one of the weapons and got the jump on one of them. I think the Q actually stopped and complied at gunpoint. Yes it was really some super weapon, but the fact that he didn't simply make it vanish or something should speak of them having limitations.

Though the Q could just vary in power, it's been a while since I've seen it.

Each individual Q has the power to do anything they want. That much is established fact, part of the show canon, and not up for debate. Q Jr, a newborn Q not anywhere as experienced as his parents, started war between interstellar species for the sh1ts and giggles. Amande Rogers created a parallel dimension as a romantic get-away for Riker. The Q can even bend free will, something which Bruce Almighty couldn't do.

Originally posted by Epicurus
All of those things were done to them by other Q.

Originally posted by Epicurus
What proof do you have that Morgan Freeman's version of the Biblical God is the actual Biblical God? Or that the Biblical God is the actual creator of the universe, as opposed to the patriarchs of any pagan pantheon or a mythological demiurge?

Originally posted by marwash22
he's says "I'm the one, creator of the heavens and the Earth, the alpha and omega, Bruce, I am God"

Originally posted by Epicurus
Unless someone brings definitive proof that the biblical God is the omnipotent creator of this reality(which alone is)

but anyhow, the bible exists in Star Trek and MorganGod is who the the bible is about... MorganGod being the creator makes everything in the bible legit, meaning MorganGod created the universe and all life within it, including the Q.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Reality warpers can easily create universes. I am guessing you've never heard of the Beyonder, Haruhi Suzumiya or Franklin Richards.

Originally posted by Epicurus

All in all, Morweh vs a single Q would be a decent match-up, something to debate about. Pitting him against an entire dimension's worth of such beings? That is spite.

I didn't do it against a single Q because I thought that would have been spite against the Q as I didn't see their feats on par with Morweh, if you wan't to debate it against a single one and thats not spite, that would be cool.

Originally posted by marwash22
what do you mean?

Originally posted by marwash22

i think you forgot to finish this thought. I'm not sure what you're saying.

Originally posted by marwash22

but anyhow, the bible exists in Star Trek and MorganGod is who the the bible is about... MorganGod being the creator makes everything in the bible legit, meaning MorganGod created the universe and all life within it, including the Q.

Originally posted by marwash22

i am familiar with those people. What do they have to do with this thread? You cannot apply their feats to the Q, the same way i cannot apply Mad Jim Jaspers' feats to MorganGod.

Btw Jaspers has far better feats than Morweh as well.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Everything low showing you counted from them being killed to having their powers removed was done by other Q.

the point stands though, if the Q were omnipotent, no being would be able to take his power from him, because he would be all powerful.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I meant to say that I am not buying the idea that Yahweh is literally infinitely beyond beings such as the Q.

have the Q created a universe? MorganGod did.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Star trek verse and almightyverse are different verses. Bible exits in Sutter Cane's universe as well. Guess that makes him Yahweh.😂

Originally posted by Epicurus
The fact that claiming that Q is just a reality warper, while Morweh isn't? When no feat which Morweh performed was something that any decent run of the mill reality warper can achieve?

Again, MorganGod created the universe and everything in it, that is not something any run of the mill reality warper can duplicate. MorganGod created reality itself, he did not warp it.

and no, MJJ does not have better feats. MorganGod would be the equivalent of TOAA.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I may be misremembering, but didn't Janeway and them actually hold a Q hostage? During their civil war they took one of the weapons and got the jump on one of them. I think the Q actually stopped and complied at gunpoint. Yes it was really some super weapon, but the fact that he didn't simply make it vanish or something should speak of them having limitations.

Though the Q could just vary in power, it's been a while since I've seen it.

Is this true?

Originally posted by marwash22
oh. yeah, i found that out during my reading.

the point stands though, if the Q were omnipotent, no being would be able to take his power from him, because he would be all powerful.

have the Q created a universe? MorganGod did.

I am not familiar with that character, but if he is said to be the literal creator as MorganGod is said to be, then yes, he is also a version of the all powerful Christian God.

Again, MorganGod created the universe and everything in it, that is not something any run of the mill reality warper can duplicate. MorganGod created reality itself, he did not warp it.

and no, MJJ does not have better feats. MorganGod would be the equivalent of TOAA.

Amanda Rogers created a replica of the STverse complete with stars, galaxies and sh1t. She had a planet as a romantic get-away with Riker, before he hurt her feelings and caused her to teleport him back to the mainstream verse.

Q created an endless expanse of white space dimension, representing it as an afterlife just to mess around with Piccard.

His power was being derived from extradimensional lovecraftian beings, however the entire movie was part of his final novel, and all the characters were completely under his power.

Alien X disagrees with you. Haruhi Suzumiya disagrees with you. Franklin Richards disagrees with you. Post-retcon Beyond disagrees with.

Yes he did. Having the power to undo the omniverse itself is orders of infinite magnitudes better than operating at a universal scale.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Amanda Rogers created a replica of the STverse complete with stars, galaxies and sh1t.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Alien X disagrees with you. Haruhi Suzumiya disagrees with you. Franklin Richards disagrees with you. Post-retcon Beyond disagrees with.

anyhow, MorganGod being the literal creator would send them all to bed without supper.

MorganGod = TOAA > Franklin Richards and everyone else you mentioned.

"above all" is in the title.

Originally posted by Epicurus
That female Q's powers and abilities were compromised due to the backlash generated from the civil war. The Q were also devastated and weakened by the Civil War, and it wasn't actually how the Continuum appeared anyways. It was only how the humans perceived sh1t to be. Not to mention that Q, even in their mortal form, possess immense intelligence and can empower lesser species to be on their level for temporary periods of time.

Each individual Q has the power to do anything they want. That much is established fact, part of the show canon, and not up for debate. Q Jr, a newborn Q not anywhere as experienced as his parents, started war between interstellar species for the sh1ts and giggles. Amande Rogers created a parallel dimension as a romantic get-away for Riker. The Q can even bend free will, something which Bruce Almighty couldn't do.

For the sake of argument, though, that shows collectively they have internal power struggles. Freeman God never showed that

Originally posted by marwash22
The internets say the bible exists in the Star Trek universe, as do other references to Christianity and other faiths. The internets also say that most of the characters in Star Trek are pretty much non-theists/atheists who value science over religion... makes sense considering it's a SCIENCE fiction show. However, the existence of the bible and other real world faiths within Star Trek's universe more than suggests that it's like real life (except obviously fictionalized) wherein the existence of God is incapable of being completely proved or disproved.

Now, since the bible exists in Star Trek, and MorganGod is a version of the literal creator the bible in both the real world and the Star Trek universe speaks of, wouldn't that make MorganGod the literal creator of the Star Trek universe and subsequently, the Q?

Originally posted by marwash22
she recreated the entire universe?

Anyways, regardless of her feat, Q himself has demonstrated the ability to create an afterlife dimension and also engineered(and later on casually destroyed) an entire alternate reality just to teach Piccard the value of his more unorthodox traits which make him a good leader.

Originally posted by marwash22
those are you idea of "run of the mill" characters?

anyhow, MorganGod being the literal creator would send them all to bed without supper.

MorganGod = TOAA > Franklin Richards and everyone else you mentioned.

"above all" is in the title.

Based on what feats?

Lol, again with this TOAA bullshit? The day Morweh has a mutliversal Abstract entity answering to him as a second in command, come back to me with this TOAA=Yahweh nonsense.

He's above all only in his own shitty universe. I am pretty sure any half-decent skyfather could put him in his place in a forum fight.

Originally posted by meep-meep
For the sake of argument, though, that shows collectively they have internal power struggles. Freeman God never showed that

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, that's the dumbest ****ing thing I've ever heard of. They are members of two entirely different works of fiction.

Originally posted by Epicurus
1. Granting godlike power to mortals? Check.
2. The ability to create a universe? Check.
3. Complete and absolute control over matter and energy? Check.
4. Telepathic power? Check.
5. Reality Warping? Check.

1. Fail - The power was limited and definitely not godlike. It could be taken away.
2. Fail - The Q never ever ever created a full-scale universe. Never. Anything they created that resembled a universe is a pocket universe, at best, and an elaborate illusion, at worst.
3. Fail - Not a single Q was ever shown to have that level of ominpotence. 🙂 It was always limited and local.
4. Holy shit! Telepathy! This thread is OVER!
5. Illusions. 🙂

So watchoo got, nugga?

Originally posted by Epicurus
From what I recall, yes.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Anyways, regardless of her feat, Q himself has demonstrated the ability to create an afterlife dimension and also engineered(and later on casually destroyed) an entire alternate reality just to teach Piccard the value of his more unorthodox traits which make him a good leader.

Originally posted by Epicurus
That's my idea of "run of the mill" reality warpers.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Based on what feats?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Lol, again with this TOAA bullshit? The day Morweh has a mutliversal Abstract entity answering to him as a second in command, come back to me with this TOAA=Yahweh nonsense.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I am pretty sure any half-decent skyfather could put him in his place in a forum fight.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Based on what feats?