Q Continuum vs God

Originally posted by Epicurus
No he wasn't. Pretending otherwise.

Zeus is described to be omnipotent in Orphic mythology. Zeus is also far more powerful than the demiurges that made the Greekmythverse. Something tells me you haven't done your homework about Greek gods.

Morweh was nothing remotely close to what you're suggesting. His entire plan was flawed, and it came off as an egomaniac poking and prodding lesser beings for no good reason at all. There are millions of people like Bruce in the world, yet it is never explained why only Jim Carrey was chosen to receive the power. There are millions of people like Evan, yet it is never explain why Steve Carell was chosen to be Noah 2.0. God works not only works in mysterious ways, he works in ways that make no sense and would make George Bush seem like an intellectual in comparison.

You're still not grasping the concept of Abstract-level beings, and how fiction is littered with dozens of such Supreme Beings.

Yes, he was, as stated.

I think you might be confusing classical literature with comic book stuff. Zeus was not omnipotent. eg The monster Typhon beating Zeus in their first duel. Zeus being powerless to save Persephone after her uncle kidnapped her. Pretty sure Prometheus tricked Zeus on more than one occasion. Some sources claim that even Zeus was fearful of Nyx's dominion over night. All those tell us that Zeus isn't actually omnipotent, so stop being silly.

Morgan-God was clearly the "supreme being" above all. Not lesser to another. Not equal to others. Not being able to comprehend why Morgan-God did something is due to your own faults; not a lack of Morgan-God not being omnipotent.

I clearly am, as I've been telling you for pages what "the supreme being" would be. In even more simple terms: God > everything else X infinity. Get it now?

Originally posted by marwash22
based on creating the universe and everything within it out of thin air.

God created the air too. 🙂

Originally posted by marwash22
ummm, there's a book in Star Trek's universe that talks about MorganGod. Is the bible used in Star Trek not the same bible used as a basis for the character in "Bruce/Evan Almighty"?

See that's the thing, if you view MorganGod as simply the avatar of Yahweh, then based on what is written in the Bible, the tri-dimensional universe (Heaven, Sheol, and Earth) of the Bible, based on inherent geocentric initial conditions that complete differ from our objective physical reality, or the Star Trekverse, Yahweh is not the creator of them. I can understand this viewpoint because the only scripture MorganGod references is the Bible. In that case, the Q operate on a larger power scale due to the larger size of the infinite ST multiverse, and thus, are more powerful.

However, if you view MorganGod as the avatar of the concept itself, the belief that everybody, from theist to agnostics, have of an extradimensional, metaphysical being whom created and gave all objective physical reality (even the possible omniverse) it's meaning and purpose, who was just posing to Bruce as the Biblical God because it was easier to understand, then yeah, that being outranks pretty much any other fictional character.

All depends on how you interpret the character.

I spent a few years in a strict Catholic school. I know what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Robtard
I clearly am, as I've been telling you for pages what "the supreme being" would be. In even more simple terms God > everything else _ infinity. Get it now?

He's picking and choosing which pseudo-philosophy he wants to follow to suit his opinion. He thinks

Infinity - 1 = Infinity

means the same exact thing as

1+1=1

It's when people start doing that that you just ignore them and pity them. He's trollin'.

Originally posted by dadudemon
1. Fail - The power was limited and definitely not godlike. It could be taken away.
2. Fail - The Q never ever ever created a full-scale universe. Never. Anything they created that resembled a universe is a pocket universe, at best, and an elaborate illusion, at worst.
3. Fail - Not a single Q was ever shown to have that level of ominpotence. 🙂 It was always limited and local.
4. Holy shit! Telepathy! This thread is OVER!
5. Illusions. 🙂

This is downright awful. Your entire argument(the prime basis of which is to get into a needless flamewar with me) is rooted in demanding feat after feat for the Q, and then dismiss it as illusion or not on Morweh's scale when said feat is proven to you.

When asked to do the same for Freeman-God, you do a 180 and pull off the same crap which dishonest theists do in real life; he's God ergo he wins by default. No need to provide feats, no need to actually give a sound reasoning as to why his feats are better than the Q, no, no need for any of that.

I don't know what's worse in your case; relying on the bible as proof in a forum match or having your head so far up your ass that it becomes impossible to decide where you begin and the ass ends.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So watchoo got, nugga?

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, he was, as stated.

I think you might be confusing classical literature with comic book stuff. Zeus was not omnipotent. eg The monster Typhon beating Zeus in their first duel. Zeus being powerless to save Persephone after her uncle kidnapped her. Pretty sure Prometheus tricked Zeus on more than one occasion. Some sources claim that even Zeus was fearful of Nyx's dominion over night. All those tell us that Zeus isn't actually omnipotent, so stop being silly.

Morgan-God was clearly the "supreme being" above all. Not lesser to another. Not equal to others. Not being able to comprehend why Morgan-God did something is due to your own faults; not a lack of Morgan-God not being omnipotent.

I clearly am, as I've been telling you for pages what "the supreme being" would be. In even more simple terms: God > everything else X infinity. Get it now?

No I am not. Comic book portrayals of Zeus, especially the Marvel and DC versions, are fairly shitty. Zeus was described as being omnipotent in Orphic texts. That about sums it up here.

Being the supreme being of your own universe doesn't make you the supreme being over other universes. The Q, nor any other powerful Abstract-tier characters were part of his universe, so how can you make such a baseless claim that Morweh is infinitely greater than the Q?

You've been dodging arguments, ignoring the fact that you literally don't have the first clue on how to gauge the performance of these all-powerful characters in a forum fight, and honking the same horn no matter how valid an opposing view is presented to you. That sounds an awful lot like religious zealots in real life.

Originally posted by marwash22
substantiate your claim and we have traction.

creating a pocket dimension inside of a universe < creating a universe.

then you don't know what "run of the mill" means.

based on creating the universe and everything within it out of thin air.

TOAA is Marvel's version of God, the supreme creator. This is not my opinion.

Based on what? Your f*cking say-so? I know of at least one instance in fiction where countless pocketverses

I do, and better than you it seems. I just pointed out at least 4 characters who have performed the exact same feat based on which you're ascribing literal omnipotence to Morweh.

That doesn't make him omnipotent. Try again.

And it makes him Yahweh how exactly? In case you missed the memo, Marvel already has its own Yahweh, just like it has its own Odin and Zeus. Marvel's yahweh is more or less a glorified skkyfather, nothing even remotely similar to the being who puppetmasters the Living Tribunal, the Watchers and the Celestials.

Omnipotent power goes hand in hand with being classified a supreme being it seems like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence

The Q are actually described as being omnipotent in the series, as opposed to the Freeman-God who is being given that title based on nothing more than assumptions, leaps in logic, and a general inability to understand that the bible can't be used as motherf*cking piece of evidence in a movies-based versus matchup.

Originally posted by Epicurus
No he wasn't. It was never stated that he was an infinite being, or omnipotent for that matter.

No I am not. Comic book portrayals of Zeus, especially the Marvel and DC versions, are fairly shitty. Zeus was described as being omnipotent in Orphic texts. That about sums it up here.

Being the supreme being of your own universe doesn't make you the supreme being over other universes. The Q, nor any other powerful Abstract-tier characters were part of his universe, so how can you make such a baseless claim that Morweh is infinitely greater than the Q?

You've been dodging arguments, ignoring the fact that you literally don't have the first clue on how to gauge the performance of these all-powerful characters in a forum fight, and honking the same horn no matter how valid an opposing view is presented to you. That sounds an awful lot like religious zealots in real life.

Yeah, he clearly said so in the quote provided earlier on.

I think you are. I just posted several instances out of Greek Mythology were Zeus was clearly not omnipotent. Ignoring them won't make your incorrect claim correct.

Because he's the supreme being of all. Not some. Not half. But all his stash. It's really not a hard concept to grasp. As pointed out, the One-Above-All in Marvel(depending on view), I figured that would help you grasp, since you seem to be a comic book fan.

Says the guy who just dodged the points about Zeus not being omnipotent. Sassy. Resorting to Ad Hominem attacks won't make your faulty views correct either, just saying. I've clearly have the grasp here. I'm grasping hard.

There are actual pocket universes in Star Trek, and they don't resemble anything the Q have ever created. Nothing besides your interpretation suggests they are mere pocket universes, because the Q have consistently shown a multiversal power level beyond that.

See that's the thing, due to the fact that Yahweh (based on scripture in the Bible), is not the creator of the ST multiverse, the Q have pretty much replaced him as the closest thing to God they have. The only difference is that God is a singular being, while they exist as independent individuals. They may have not started out as God, but that is what their current state has evolved to (thus why they are the pinnacle of sentient life). They too like God exist outside all of existence and can manipulate it to an unlimited limit. They've gone before the Big Bang and tinier than subatomic hadrons while just playing around. And they can replicate everything Yahweh did in the Bible and MorganGod did in Bruce Almighty.

Again, this is considering that you view MorganGod as the mere avatar of Yahweh.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, he clearly said so in the quote provided earlier on.

I think you are. I just posted several instances out of Greek Mythology were Zeus was clearly not omnipotent. Ignoring them won't make your incorrect claim correct.

Because he's the supreme being of all. Not some. Not half. But all his stash. It's really not a hard concept to grasp. As pointed out, the One-Above-All in Marvel, I figured that would help you grasp, since you seem to be a comic book fan.

Says the guy who just dodged the points about Zeus not being omnipotent. Sassy. Resorting to Ad Hominem attacks won't make your faulty views correct either, just saying.

No I am not. Orphic texts describe him as an omnipotent being. He's also more powerful than the entities that made the Greekverse. Points proven.

So you actually think that Morgan Freeman is the supreme being of our universe? 😂 at bringing up TOAA all over again, even though I have deconstructed that crap close to half a dozen times in this thread already.

I am sure that you can be clubbed together with those tards who once spouted such rubbish that Mr Mxyzptlk actually came out of a DC comic and destroyed our universe, and we didn't even know about it.

I already provided proof regarding the omnipotent version of Zeus. You selectively ignoring that is not my problem in the least bit.

Originally posted by Epicurus
The Q are actually described as being omnipotent in the series, as opposed to the Freeman-God who is being given that title based on nothing more than assumptions, leaps in logic, and a general inability to understand that the bible can't be used as motherf*cking piece of evidence in a movies-based versus matchup.

Didn't Q say he was not actually omnipotent though or a god, I just think thats odd to say he is when he admitted he was not?

Originally posted by Epicurus
I already did.🙂

Originally posted by Epicurus
Based on what? Your f*cking say-so? I know of at least one instance in fiction where countless pocketverses

you seem upset.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I do, and better than you it seems. I just pointed out at least 4 characters who have performed the exact same feat based on which you're ascribing literal omnipotence to Morweh.

Originally posted by Epicurus
That doesn't make him omnipotent. Try again.

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adjective

1.
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high; invincible, unconquerable
"the worship of omnipotent deities"
having ultimate power and influence.
"an omnipotent sovereign"
noun
noun: omnipotent; plural noun: omnipotents

1.
God.

Originally posted by Epicurus
And it makes him Yahweh how exactly? In case you missed the memo, Marvel already has its own Yahweh, just like it has its own Odin and Zeus. Marvel's yahweh is more or less a glorified skkyfather, nothing even remotely similar to the being who puppetmasters the Living Tribunal, the Watchers and the Celestials.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Didn't Q say he was not actually omnipotent though or a god, I just think thats odd to say he is when he admitted he was not?

Depends on how you define omnipotent. There are several omnipotents in fiction. Hell, Marvel has a hierarchy of them. Just because a being says they're omnipotent doesn't mean they are omnipotent over the entire omniverse when the Bruce Almightyverse was never shown to be that scale.

Originally posted by marwash22
i missed it. quote it for me.

based on a dimension existing inside of the universe and not being a separate universe itself.

you seem upset.

there's nothing ordinary about Franklin Richards.

What's your proof that said dimension actually even existed within the mainstream Trekverse to begin with? And anyways, you're yet to disprove(or even address) Q's construction of the alternate reality with Piccard. And he didn't just design it either. He erased it all after the job with Piccard was done.

Yes there isn't, but neither is there with Q for that matter. They are all universal scale reality warpers, with Richards arguably operating even higher than either Morweh or Q because he's a peer of the Celestials, beings who in a handful of numbers can forge a multiverse consisting of infinite parallel universes.

Originally posted by marwash22

om·nip·o·tent
äm&#712;nip&#601;t&#601;nt/Submit
adjective

1.
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high; invincible, unconquerable
"the worship of omnipotent deities"
having ultimate power and influence.
"an omnipotent sovereign"
noun
noun: omnipotent; plural noun: omnipotents

1.
God.

Marvel's yahweh is not the creator.

Originally posted by Epicurus
That was the race traitor radical called Quinn. Q himself never made any such claims.

Usually traitors reveal the true weakness of the people they are betraying though? Hence why they are traitors.

Could Q replicate himself into more then one being any be anywhere at once like say Dr. Manhattan?

Originally posted by Epicurus
No he didn't. Stop lying and making stuff up.

No I am not. Orphic texts describe him as an omnipotent being. He's also more powerful than the entities that made the Greekverse. Points proven.

So you actually think that Morgan Freeman is the supreme being of our universe? 😂 at bringing up TOAA all over again, even though I have deconstructed that crap close to half a dozen times in this thread already.

I am sure that you can be clubbed together with those tards who once spouted such rubbish that Mr Mxyzptlk actually came out of a DC comic and destroyed our universe, and we didn't even know about it.

I already provided proof regarding the omnipotent version of Zeus. You selectively ignoring that is not my problem in the least bit.

Quote has been posted. So it is you who is playing games.

And this is why he lost to the monster Typhon? Feared Nyx? Couldn't save his own daughter from her uncle? Was tricked by Prometheus? Points proven indeed.

We're talking about fictional beings; not reality. "lol" indeed. You clearly can't grasp what the One-Above-All is in Marvel, despite me trying.

Sorry, I don't partake in whatever Comic Vs nonsense you seem to be talking about. Your Ad Hominem attacks do tell me that you're both upset and known you're wrong.

No. You made a claim "Zeus is omnipotent", didn't back it up and then ignored the instances out of classical Greek Mythology where it's shown that Zeus is not omnipotent, simply because they don't agree with you.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Usually traitors reveal the true weakness of the people they are betraying though? Hence why they are traitors.

Could Q replicate himself into more then one being any be anywhere at once like say Dr. Manhattan?

It was feared by the crew and Q that Quinn was capable of overnight evolving humanity into a race of godlike beings if left to his own devices. So that type of a feat should be fairly easy for them to replicate.