"Qpid"- creates a universe with a replica of medieval Nottingham and the characters of Robin Hood
"Tapestry"- creates an afterlife-like universe in which he phucks around with Picard
"All Good Things"- creates a courtroom like dimension
"Hide and Q"- Riker uses powers to resurrect the dead
That's 3 universes and an instance of creating/resurrecting life right right there. And done with a lot more ease than Morgan showed.
So because a limit wasn't stated, it doesn't exist? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. And it would seem logical to assume that's his limit because Yahweh refers to his little tri-dimension as "everything that ever was, is, and will be", so clearly everything he is capable of creating only exists in that tri-dimension.
Originally posted by Lestov16
"Qpid"- creates a universe with a replica of medieval Nottingham and the characters of Robin Hood
"Tapestry"- creates an afterlife-like universe in which he phucks around with Picard
"All Good Things"- creates a courtroom like dimension
"Hide and Q"- Riker uses powers to resurrect the deadThat's 3 universes and an instance of creating/resurrecting life right right there. And done with a lot more ease than Morgan showed.
It sounds more like elaborate tricks then actually anything really taking place
"Qpid"- creates a universe with a replica of medieval Nottingham and the characters of Robin Hood
"Tapestry"- creates an afterlife-like universe in which he phucks around with Picard
"All Good Things"- creates a courtroom like dimension
Re read those "dimensions", nothing is actually being created. More of an elaborate illusion or hoax.
God created all life and actual real things stars and planets and 3 actual universes.
Not really. Star Trek already has illusions, aka holodecks. Unless you're stating that they are "illusions" made of particles that are not the matter and energy we know of, which really just makes it even more impressive. That being stated, nothing suggests it was an illusion. They all seem like alternate universes which Q is creating to use as his playground.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Not really. Star Trek already has illusions, aka holodecks. Unless you're stating that they are "illusions" made of particles that are not the matter and energy we know of, which really just makes it even more impressive. That being stated, nothing suggests it was an illusion. They all seem like alternate universes which Q is creating to use as his playground.
Well the ones you speak of seem nothing more then another one of those Holodeck rooms they have on enterprise where they can create anything without anything actually being created. The universes God created are complete and endless with living creatures. The ones you described were made to screw with Picard, not what I would call a "real" universe. Q was never really honest about anything and he later on stated that he was neither immortal or omnipotent.
It would seem like he was a powerful being but so was Lucifer and Satan, they were so powerful and had been given so much power, they thought they were God, but when it came time to try and take the thrown, they soon realized that in fact they were not God and could not kill him or out power him.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Well the ones you speak of seem nothing more then another one of those Holodeck rooms they have on enterprise where they can create anything without anything actually being created. The universes God created are complete and endless with living creatures. The ones you described were made to screw with Picard, not what I would call a "real" universe. Q was never really honest about anything and he later on stated that he was neither immortal or omnipotent.It would seem like he was a powerful being but so was Lucifer and Satan, they were so powerful and had been given so much power, they thought they were God, but when it came time to try and take the thrown, they soon realized that in fact they were not God and could not kill him or out power him.
It was an alternate spacetime continuum with matter, energy, and physical laws. Qualifies as a universe. And there is no way in hell Q's universes were simple holodeck replications, unless they make holodecks that can interact with the dead, like the afterlife dimension. i don't think that's likely.
WTF does Lucifer and Satan have to do with anything. I don't recall them creating alternate dimensions. Best I remember Satan doing was testing Job and failing to tempt Jesus. WEAK.
Complex illusions made of what? They certainly weren't holograms. And what proof do you even have that they were illusions? They were never stated to be, and nothing else the Q have ever done were described as mere illusions. It's certainly more logical to think that a race of extradimensional beings who can rewrite physical laws and constants, resurrect the dead, and time travel ( pretty much a ST version of a 5d imp) have the power to alternate universes than it is to think they're limited to casting mere illusions.
Age of the Ubermensch, motherphucker.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Complex illusions made of what? They certainly weren't holograms. And what proof do you even have that they were illusions? They were never stated to be, and nothing else the Q have ever done were described as mere illusions. It's certainly more logical to think that a race of extradimensional beings who can rewrite physical laws and constants, resurrect the dead, and time travel ( pretty much a ST version of a 5d imp) have the power to alternate universes than it is to think they're limited to casting mere illusions.Age of the Ubermensch, motherphucker.
Anything Q could do, God could do, only difference is Q can lose his power and die according to himself.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Complex illusions made of what? They certainly weren't holograms. And what proof do you even have that they were illusions? They were never stated to be, and nothing else the Q have ever done were described as mere illusions. It's certainly more logical to think that a race of extradimensional beings who can rewrite physical laws and constants, resurrect the dead, and time travel ( pretty much a ST version of a 5d imp) have the power to alternate universes than it is to think they're limited to casting mere illusions.Age of the Ubermensch, motherphucker.
I do not disagree with your point about Q being able to create universes. But let me better explain their position so you can see what they mean:
Since it was not clarified, the "brain in a vat" scenario is just as likely an explanation for what is happening as the "created an entirely separate but temporary universe" explanation. In the 6th season, 15th episode (Tapestry)*, it is directly seen that that is exactly what Q is doing: creating an illusion that affects Picard's mind. Picard's body still remains on the medical table but his "mind" is having "fun" with Q.
So, yes, it COULD be an illusion/mind trick. Q really is THE master of illusions in the Star Trek-verse.
But I agree with you that he created universes, even if they were very tiny in comparison to ours. Here is why: if he can change any of the four fundamental forces (gravitational constant, for example), he can create his own universes with ease.
*By the way, that was one of the very best episodes of any Star Trek TV show. For me, it is a top-20, for sure.
Originally posted by Lestov16
By the power of paradox, if God can not will himself to die, he is not omnipotent. And again, only Q can hurt Q.
Only Q can hurt Q? Maybe in that verse..this isn't Star Trek though, its a forum battle. Where does it say anywhere that God cannot will himself to die, and actually he did, it was Jesus Christ.