Proxima Midnight Vs Supergirl

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She threw it at Cap's back. He spins, and deflects two of the shafts on his shield. That's reacting to it.

Lol @ Thanos' standards: see this link.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/14/149570/3275083-img_7147.png

Corvus Glaive: As long as his otherworldly blade remains whole, he cannot die. Tell that to Hyperion.

Black Dwarf - beaten by a highly trained human warrior.

Proxima Midnight: Her spear, when thrown, is lethal to most creatures. Who did it kill? A human Wakandan. Hulk took it, Spectrum took it, Cap took some of it, Corvus took some of it. Guess Earth is just that uber.
Proof of this ability of the spear to adjust accordingly???

....Wow dude really "Proxima's powers: Her spear when thrown transforms into 3 tracers of black light THAT NEVER MISSES!" Lol thanks a lot for doing the work for me, you just dug your own grave. Not only that but you made yourself look bad because you intentionally left that part out in your post to make yourself look good in hopes that we wouldn't catch it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Proxima Midnight: Her spear, when thrown, is lethal to most creatures.

You just lost all debating credibility.

Originally posted by cdtm
Weak durabity though, if a common spear could pierce her shoulder.

Granted, it didn't bother her, but it implies she'd be vulnerable to losing limbs, if not an outright decapitation.

Common spear?

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
....Wow dude really "Proxima's powers: Her spear when thrown transforms into 3 tracers of black light THAT NEVER MISSES!" Lol thanks a lot for doing the work for me, you just dug your own grave. Not only that but you made yourself look bad because you intentionally left that part out in your post to make yourself look good in hopes that we wouldn't catch it.

You just lost all debating credibility.

Well, I don't have any proof that it misses. It can be intercepted, or it can be deflected, however. Why would I add that it never misses, when I have no proof of it missing???? Please take a deep breath, calm down, and re-read my comment again.

I did not leave it out to make myself look good. If I did, I would NEVER HAVE PROVIDED THE LINK, would I ? Or I would have cropped it. I realise that I, when quoting, missed a part out. I should have added '...' to it. My bad - I hold my hands up. But was not done to misrepresent - again, had I wished to have done so, I would have omitted the scan altogether.

But good job on ignoring all my other points 👆

Originally posted by carver9
Common spear?

All of Wakanda's vibranium was destroyed during Doomwar. Granted, it could be a super duper adamantium/uru/promethium/adamantine alloy.....

Originally posted by carver9
His back was to her BEFORE she threw the spear. We see Cap picking Cap Marvel up. Then we see Proxima jumping up in the air, talking and throwing her spear. What was Cap doing during all of this? During the time she jumped up in the air...talked, THEN throwing her spear.

https://imageshack.com/i/5i4v5zj

I know how we can find that answer out. In the scan I posted, Captain Marvel is laid out on the ground, barely able to move while Cap is turned around helping her out. In this scan Captain Marvel is on her ft just like Cap. She isn't close to being as weary as she was during the time Cap picked her up. Time passed my friend.

https://imageshack.com/i/0553i3j

How much time...it's unclear but what we do know is A). Cap had his shield in his hands before the attack. B). Proxima jumped up in the air and said complete sentences before throwing the shield (which would give Cap time to turn around and face his opponent). C). A damaged Carol and Captain America was turned around at Proxima direction looking at her. All of this is shown here.

At Darkseint...your other points are irrelevant.

Originally posted by carver9
His back was to her BEFORE she threw the spear. We see Cap picking Cap Marvel up. Then we see Proxima jumping up in the air, talking and throwing her spear. What was Cap doing during all of this? During the time she jumped up in the air...talked, THEN throwing her spear.

https://imageshack.com/i/5i4v5zj

I know how we can find that answer out. In the scan I posted, Captain Marvel is laid out on the ground, barely able to move while Cap is turned around helping her out. In this scan Captain Marvel is on her ft just like Cap. She isn't close to being as weary as she was during the time Cap picked her up. Time passed my friend.

https://imageshack.com/i/0553i3j

How much time...it's unclear but what we do know is A). Cap had his shield in his hands before the attack. B). Proxima jumped up in the air and said complete sentences before throwing the shield (which would give Cap time to turn around and face his opponent). C). A damaged Carol and Captain America was turned around at Proxima direction looking at her. All of this is shown here.

So in other words, Proxima, who is facing squarely on her target, can see him turning around and face her with his shield, ready to take her spear, and decides to throw her spear directly at the shield?

👆 in character, PM is a stupid fighter 👆

Another equally valid conclusion?

Proxima Midnight lacks the 'battle reflexes' neccessary to adjust to new situations. She's throwing her spear at her opponents' back, he spins around and gets ready for her, and she still is unable to react to this new information.

This chimes with her not avoiding the spear. Olympic javelins go at a whopping 113km/hr. Double that (assuming Shuri is twice as strong as an Olympic athlete), and its no wonder she was unable to do anything about it....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So in other words, Proxima, who is facing squarely on her target, can see him turning around and face her with his shield, ready to take her spear, and decides to throw her spear directly at the shield?

👆 in character, PM is a stupid fighter 👆

Naah...you worded it wrong again. Proxima jumps up in the air...say a speech. Cap turns around while lifting Cap off the ground. Proxima throws her spear and it hits the target but the other two bounce off of Cap Shield. The weapon does a reverse but instead of hitting Cap, it hits Corvus (could be numerous of reasons on why that happened). So overall that still goes against your argument since again, Cap and Carol was looking right at her when she threw the shield (as shown by Cap and a damaged Carol facing her direction during that scene) and the spear hit it's target which means it will most Def hit Supergirl.

Lol man you continually contradict yourself. I see you just quickly edited your last post because you said "When did I question her spears never missing?" And now its mysteriously edited, hmmmmm. Did you realize that you are contradicting yourself? Because I was going to respond with this.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

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Proxima Midnight: Her spear, when thrown, is lethal to most creatures. Proof of this ability of the spear to adjust accordingly???

..so before you quickly edited that last post you asked me "when did I question her spear actually missing" and on the quote above you post the link to proximas powers then contradict yourself by asking " proof of this ability of the spear to adjust accordingly" sad part is that you contradicted yourself in the same post. And that you did intentionally omit her spear never missing.

Originally posted by carver9
Naah...you worded it wrong again. Proxima jumps up in the air...say a speech. Cap turns around while lifting Cap off the ground. Proxima throws her spear and it hits the target but the other two bounce off of Cap Shield. The weapon does a reverse but instead of hitting Cap, it hits Corvus (could be numerous of reasons on why that happened). So overall that still goes against your argument since again, Cap and Carol was looking right at her when she threw the shield (as shown by Cap and a damaged Carol facing her direction during that scene) and the spear hit it's target which means it will most Def hit Supergirl.

Yes, but my point is that PM can SEE Steve turning around to face her. And still threw her spear directly at him, rather than have it go around his shield (which it can, indeed, do - change direction in midflight etc). Ergo, she is a poor fighter.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Lol man you continually contradict yourself. I see you just quickly edited your last post because you said "When did I question her spears never missing?" And now its mysteriously edited, hmmmmm. Did you realize that you are contradicting yourself? Because I was going to respond with this.

This is what I added in my edit:

I realise that I, when quoting, missed a part out. I should have added '...' to it. My bad - I hold my hands up. But was not done to misrepresent - again, had I wished to have done so, I would have omitted the scan altogether.

..so before you quickly edited that last post you asked me "when did I question her spear actually missing" and on the quote above you post the link to proximas powers then contradict yourself by asking " proof of this ability of the spear to adjust accordingly" sad part is that you contradicted yourself in the same post. And that you did intentionally omit her spear never missing.

Lol. Please re-read my comments:

My statement:

Proof of this ability of the spear to adjust accordingly

Was in direct reply to your statement:

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Depending on how fast the individual is running away from it, the spear will adjust accordingly.

I was asking you for proof that the spear will change its speed according to its target (i.e. if it was chasing Quicksilver, it would be fast, and when chasing a street-level Back Panther, it would be street-level).

Although at least you seemed to have discarded your initial theory:

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Also if proxima's spear is able to catch Monica my theory is that her spear has special properties, so after the initial throw it takes time for the spear to gain velocity and become incredibly fast. Which explains the incident with the wakandan soldier.

Edit, as dial J seems to think there is some conspiracy: I mean to type 'Black Panther' not 'Back Panther'.

Stupid autocorrect.

Lol your asking me to prove that it adjust accordingly? Easy, as what you previously posted it was slow enough for a wakandan soldier to react to it correct? Yet later on she throws her spear and impales spectrum, a being who can travel at light speed as well as phase through objects. So are you still going to tell me that it does not adjust accordingly? Or surely a wakandan soldier is better than Monica since he saw it coming slowly right?

Here you go btw... Yeah doesn't look like its adjusting to Monica's light speed because if it did it would've hit her... Oh wait it did.

http://retconpunchdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/ma2_spear.jpg

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Lol your asking me to prove that it adjust accordingly? Easy, as what you previously posted it was slow enough for a wakandan soldier to react to it correct? Yet later on she throws her spear and impales spectrum, a being who can travel at light speed as well as phase through objects. So are you still going to tell me that it does not adjust accordingly? Or surely a wakandan soldier is better than Monica since he saw it coming slowly right?

Here you go btw... Yeah doesn't look like its adjusting to Monica's light speed because if it did it would've hit her... Oh wait it did.

http://retconpunchdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/ma2_spear.jpg

NOW you get it, finally! FINALLY you understand my reply to your own assertion, which even used your own words.

So somehow the spear (or PM) knows the target's speed, and if its human level (i.e. Shuri) it will obligingly slow down, but if its a lightspeeder, it will speed up?

So all SG has to do is walk slowly at a human's level of speed, then at the last moment, dodge???

I can see that you still don't grasp that the Spectrum was an outlier, a PIS moment, though. Because the alternative to it is that somehow, it will be street-level against streets and lightspeed against light.

Or that it takes time to accelerate, which I then asked a question about, which you sadly ignored. Here it is again:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So...there is a sweet spot where if you're close enough, the spear is still pretty slow (as in it takes time to accelerate)?

Yeah, SG still wins this.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but my point is that PM can SEE Steve turning around to face her. And still threw her spear directly at him, rather than have it go around his shield (which it can, indeed, do - change direction in midflight etc). Ergo, she is a poor fighter.

Lol...Do you always have to see a flaw in something? She probably did that because she could have thought that her weapon could go through Cap shield, she doesn't know the properties of his shield. You also have to remember that It is made out of an exploding sun. Why does that even matter when Supergirl doesn't have a shield to deflect her attack?

...How the hell was that a Pis moment? Hickman provided a synapses on proximas spear, proxima used her spear and it work the way Hickman said it would work... Also you are starting to sound ridiculous. Proximas spear adjusting isn't the end all be all of the attack...it is obviously just a great perk and ability it has. And some people come up with the worst arguments

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So all SG has to do is walk slowly at a human's level of speed, then at the last moment, dodge?

Lets use common sense for a moment ( which is apparent that some people don't have. ) Proximas spear doesn't go "oh this guy is moving slow so I'm going to go slow to." Proxima looked at the situation and threw the attack as she saw fit. With your logic if the spear was thrown, and if that person it was thrown at stands still than the spear would freeze in place... The spear doesn't solely respond to the individuals actions... It simply adapts, that's why it is an exotic weapon. And obviously she throws her spear as she sees fit. She saw a weak wakandan soldier so she didn't put as much effort behind that toss. She saw Monicas unique abilities and fast movement so she tossed it with more velocity. Ever heard of people pulling their punch? Everyone doesn't always put 100% effort into an attack. Look at cap, there are times where he throws his shield and it knocks someone down.... But we saw that when he puts his full effort in he can decapitate a tank... This is basic stuff.

The whole point of this thread is to prove Shuri is hardcore.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Do you always have to see a flaw in something? She probably did that because she could have thought that her weapon could go through Cap shield, she doesn't know the properties of his shield. You also have to remember that It is made out of an exploding sun. Why does that even matter when Supergirl doesn't have a shield to deflect her attack?

And if SG gets behind PM and uses her as a shield? Which she has the speed to do so.

@Dial J for Josh. So in character, she pulls her punches? I can go with that. Also explains why Luke Cage lasted as long as he did.

Red Lanterns aren't known for pulling their punches. PM dies.

@Bentley: actually, its for the whole of Wakanda. Shuri, a human, is able to easily spear PM. And even after doing so, PM still wouldn't take her seriously! Good thing too, as it enabled an even weaker human to save the queen.

Or you're looking to deeply into it. Writers make errors, which allow for people to over analyze things that shouldn't be. The Spear is fast enough to catch Monica, and therefore it is fast enough to catch Supergirl. She doesn't know what happened in Wakanda, and therefore she will either stand there, and be hit by it, or try to out-fly it, and be hit by it. Either way she will be hit by it. We know that it can trace down it's prey due to how it did not fly in a straight line when tossed at Monica. We will see Proxima later, because she will be freed by Korvus in the future, and when that happens, and she comes back, we will know for sure just how powerful she is, and just how powerful, and fast her Spear is.

I know that you're wrong. You even know that you're wrong, but by all means continue prancing about finding ridiculous loopholes to jump into. Over analyzing the simplistic, to make it more than what it actually is. The writer never intended for anyone to look at what was placed on panel the way that you are looking at it. There were PIS moments involved, but not the way that you are seeing them. They were there to keep Captain America from dying, and to allow for Shuri to shine against a foe that would outright kill her. PM's stats are far greater than Shuri's. I'm sure that even you will agree on this. Then again who can tell with the way you see things.

Originally posted by Stoic
Or you're looking to deeply into it. Writers make errors, which allow for people to over analyze things that shouldn't be. The Spear is fast enough to catch Monica, and therefore it is fast enough to catch Supergirl. She doesn't know what happened in Wakanda, and therefore she will either stand there, and be hit by it, or try to out-fly it, and be hit by it. Either way she will be hit by it. We know that it can trace down it's prey due to how it did not fly in a straight line when tossed at Monica. We will see Proxima later, because she will be freed by Korvus in the future, and when that happens, and she comes back, we will know for sure just how powerful she is, and just how powerful, and fast her Spear is.

I know that you're wrong. You even know that you're wrong, but by all means continue prancing about finding ridiculous loopholes to jump into. Over analyzing the simplistic, to make it more than what it actually is. The writer never intended for anyone to look at what was placed on panel the way that you are looking at it. There were PIS moments involved, but not the way that you are seeing them. They were there to keep Captain America from dying, and to allow for Shuri to shine against a foe that would outright kill her. PM's stats are far greater than Shuri's. I'm sure that even you will agree on this. Then again who can tell with the way you see things.

👆 common sense.