Originally posted by Stoic
Cage certainly does have better feats. One is how he survived his conflict with PM.
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My point is that Kal has been hit by slower characters, and it will happen again, so has the Flash. Staying on course, the Spear will hit her, and it won't take much effort for her to throw it. Another point was to remind you that bringing up low feats is poor form. PM does not have many appearances but the ones that she has are great enough to say that she could win this. it also shows that Supergirl isn't going to be one shot ending a conflict with her.
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You presented scans that only show PM getting hit by Cage, but seemingly left out the rest in order to view this as one sided as possible. PM was not hurt by his assault, but he was hurt by hers. If Thanos had not shown up, Cage would have been put down, if not outright killed. he even spoke about how she had broken his nearly indestructible bones at the end of the conflict. I believe that you brought Cage into this to somehow low ball her, because you think very little of Cage. perhaps that's just my imagination though.
I don't know what that spear was made of, and neither do you. I am speaking of the Wakadan spear head that penetrated her shoulder. Do you have any citations telling me what it spear head was made of? Could the writer have mistakenly wrote the spear as being made of vibranium without realizing that this substance had been done away with? Things like this have happened in the past in comics.
Did she kill the noob GL in that comic? Has she killed anyone to date?
Proxima has, and she wouldn't hesitate in attempting to throw her spear into SG's heart for the kill. This is something that we at least know.
The point of my scan was to show that she is NOT just some shy teenage girl who is hesitant about using her powers and hurting people.
i will go back to my first post on the subject. Read it. understand it, and come to terms that I am not saying that SG can not win this, but in order or her to win, she will have to come strong, and be relentless. if not, she may die in a conflict with someone unwilling to hold back from killing.
Originally posted by carver9
And that still doesn't take away from CIS. Also, what scans did DS post showing her combating faster than. Proxima could react?
No, you're thinking of pis, not cis.
The rules use Flash as an example, clearly stating that even though he doesn't end a fight in the first pico second, under "full capacity" mode, he will.
Sub out Kara for Barry, and you're asking for proof he ends the fight straight off.
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
What the hell? Her being able to stomp the queen of Wakanda and her entire army is a low showing? .... Oh ok 👆[/quoteYup. They have no vibranium (one of their main advantages). Yet a no name Wakandan was able to outreact her spear, and Shuri was able to spear her. Surely, you cannot see this as a low showing???
and please I want you to go back and quote me where I even mentioned luke cage.
So this is a high showing? A depowered Black Panther blitzed Luke Cage - he's hardly the fastest with his hands and feet. And PM was unable to dodge/block him.[quote]
Also Caps shield, one of the most powerful tools in the Marvel Universe which is nearly indestructible being able to deflect her spear... Yeah that's a very low showing 👆
Not the shield. Calm down, and read.
It is how she gave Cap time to turn around and face her, ready, with his shield, after she was facing his back.
Originally posted by cdtm
No, you're thinking of pis, not cis.The rules use Flash as an example, clearly stating that even though he doesn't end a fight in the first pico second, under "full capacity" mode, he will.
Sub out Kara for Barry, and you're asking for proof he ends the fight straight off.
Show me those scans. By the way...fighting to the best of his abilities Surfer beats Superman 10/10 via power absorption and Black hole in the brain. Do you agree?
Wow... I debunked that many post ago about her spear having the capacity to adjust, but that doesn't even matter because we've seen her spear catch a being traveling at light speed... Do you remember anything? Im not going to repeat myself over and over to someone who ignores facts. You can go hurr durr a human can react to it.... But guess what Super Girl will not outrun it and she will get hit. End of story.
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Wow... I debunked that many post ago about her spear having the capacity to adjust, but that doesn't even matter because we've seen her spear catch a being traveling at light speed... Do you remember anything? Im not going to repeat myself over and over to someone who ignores facts. You can go hurr durr a human can react to it.... But guess what Super Girl will not outrun it and she will get hit. End of story.
You debunked nothing, and provided nothing but your own fan made theories as to what happened. Please don't confuse them with facts.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Neither Supes/Surfer are in this thread.With that said....
How do you think a Red Lantern fights?
The way she is doing in comics? Blindly. That's why I am asking you for scans because I think you could have seen something that I haven't. So show me those speed fts from this version of Supergirl that is so fast Proxima wouldn't react.
I brought up the Surfer/Superman because some people are not consistent. If you are going to apply a rule in one fight...Do it in other battles as well. I've seen him debate for Superman against Surfer and using his style of debating, he would be extremely false in voting against Surfer vs ANY herald.
Originally posted by carver9
The way she is doing in comics? Blindly. That's why I am asking you for scans because I think you could have seen something that I haven't. So show me those speed fts from this version of Supergirl that is so fast Proxima wouldn't react.I brought up the Surfer/Superman because some people are not consistent. If you are going to apply a rule in one fight...Do it in other battles as well. I've seen him debate for Superman against Surfer and using his style of debating, he would be extremely false in voting against Surfer vs ANY herald.
Blindly....and slowly? Or quickly?
Why does Supergirl have to be so fast that PM can't see her or something? Per your own scans, in character, PM is going to stand there monologuing. If she is going to stand there and allow her dazed, bruised opponents to get back on their feet, then turn around and face her, with their shield ready to protect both themselves and others, hell, she could take all the time she needs.
In character, of course. PM seems like that. Giving fair warning to Shuri, toying with Cage (until he got the heart force, then she got frustrated), explaining her every move to Hulk, and saying fond farewells to the captains.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Blindly....and slowly? Or quickly?Why does Supergirl have to be so fast that PM can't see her or something? Per your own scans, in character, PM is going to stand there monologuing. If she is going to stand there and allow her dazed, bruised opponents to get back on their feet, then turn around and face her, with their shield ready to protect both themselves and others, hell, she could take all the time she needs.
In character, of course. PM seems like that. Giving fair warning to Shuri, toying with Cage (until he got the heart force, then she got frustrated), explaining her every move to Hulk, and saying fond farewells to the captains.
Yet you are ignoring everything we have said to counter your so call arguments. Lol at me making fan made theories when you just said for a fact Proxima is going to stand there and monologue. Stoic completely shut this theory down. Its sad that he had to say this... But it had to be said since not everyone uses common sense... And I'm the one making rediculous claims right?
Originally posted by Stoic
How old is the character 9Proxima)? How many books has she been in? This may have been old news to you, but there are many people that have no idea who she is. Wolverine kept saying his speech about what he does best for years before they stopped putting it out there that he was a bad ass. The writers are introducing the character, and they have to put what she can do out there, so that people can quickly understand who she is, and roughly how powerful she is. I don't believe that I actually have to explain this to you.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Blindly....and slowly? Or quickly?Why does Supergirl have to be so fast that PM can't see her or something? Per your own scans, in character, PM is going to stand there monologuing. If she is going to stand there and allow her dazed, bruised opponents to get back on their feet, then turn around and face her, with their shield ready to protect both themselves and others, hell, she could take all the time she needs.
In character, of course. PM seems like that. Giving fair warning to Shuri, toying with Cage (until he got the heart force, then she got frustrated), explaining her every move to Hulk, and saying fond farewells to the captains.
Sloppy and fast but not fast to the point that Proxima wouldn't react.
She attacked Hulk first...THEN she explained her attack. She was still fighting Cage though. Are you really going there with your argument Dark? Like foreal?
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Yet you are ignoring everything we have said to counter your so call arguments. Lol at me making fan made theories when you just said for a fact Proxima is going to stand there and monologue. Stoic completely shut this theory down. Its sad that he had to say this... But it had to be said since not everyone uses common sense... And I'm the one making rediculous claims right?
Originally posted by carver9
Sloppy and fast but not fast to the point that Proxima wouldn't react.She attacked Hulk first...THEN she explained her attack. She was still fighting Cage though. Are you really going there with your argument Dark? Like foreal?
Jeez, you two:
'Two great captains. Doing what all captains do best...
Farewell, humans! You were weak and deserved such a humble ending.'
That is what she said to Cap, which is the scene in question.
https://imageshack.com/i/5i4v5zj
Now, what did Stoic supposedly shoot me down?
Oh yes.
Originally posted by Stoic
The writers are introducing the character, and they have to put what she can do out there, so that people can quickly understand who she is, and roughly how powerful she is. I don't believe that I actually have to explain this to you.
How is ANY of that explaining what she can do and how powerful she is???? A wiser man then me convinced me of the length of time that passed:
Originally posted by carver9
His back was to her BEFORE she threw the spear. We see Cap picking Cap Marvel up. Then we see Proxima jumping up in the air, talking and throwing her spear. What was Cap doing during all of this? During the time she jumped up in the air...talked, THEN throwing her spear.https://imageshack.com/i/5i4v5zj
I know how we can find that answer out. In the scan I posted, Captain Marvel is laid out on the ground, barely able to move while Cap is turned around helping her out. In this scan Captain Marvel is on her ft just like Cap. She isn't close to being as weary as she was during the time Cap picked her up. Time passed my friend.
https://imageshack.com/i/0553i3j
How much time...it's unclear but what we do know is A). Cap had his shield in his hands before the attack. B). Proxima jumped up in the air and said complete sentences before throwing the shield (which would give Cap time to turn around and face his opponent). C). A damaged Carol and Captain America was turned around at Proxima direction looking at her. All of this is shown here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.
The oneS? Plural? She has more than one good showing? Pray, tell, what are they? First you talk up PM, saying how it was a good showing for Proxima that she was able to whup Cage so badly....and next, you're talking up Cage, saying its a good showing that he survived his fight.Sling enough mud and perhaps it'll stick, eh? I only showed the one scan of the fight, because it was to show someone on Cage's level was able to draw blood (which laughs at your assertion that she wasn't hurt). Why would I post the other scans where she wasn't bleeding, when my point is to show her bleeding??? And yes, I do think a lot of Cage - but he is no speedster. She wasn't avoiding his blows.
Wow, now you're getting desperate. Yes, you're right, it was made of uru/adamantium/vibranium with a pinch of promethium, and just before throwing it, off panel, Shuri was blessed by Odin, Cytorrak, and had the Phoenix Force within her. Still doesn't take away the fact that she was unable to dodge it.
No, she hasn't, and that's no noob, that's Barreer Wot:
http://greenlantern.wikia.com/wiki/Barreer_WotThe point of my scan was to show that she is NOT just some shy teenage girl who is hesitant about using her powers and hurting people.
In the very first minute. I did read it. And I am saying, Kara is relentless, and willing to come on strong. [/B]
You said absolutely nothing here.
You refused to acknowledge that Cage was going to die if the conflict kept going. Drawing blood does not mean that she was in any danger, which she wasn't he was. Throwing mud until it sticks? Is this how you try to squeeze out of a toughie? Sorry, but I caught that, and it isn't good enough. You have yet to address what I said. Your intentions were to bring Cage into this in order to show how weak PM was, however this did not work. Cage can give some of the mightiest characters a hard time these days. The Thing bloodied WW Hulk's face, but it's not as if he was in any danger... I know you know this, but I just thought it good to put it out there again just in case.
Do you know what the spear head was made of Yes or No? Simple answer is only required here. If it is no, why bring up what you don't know?
If she did not allow Captain America to turn around, which is what we call PIS brought on from writers, he would have died or been crippled. Marvel would never have that. Captain America like Batman are plot horses. Even after he died, he would not stay dead, and they wrote in some crap to bring him back. He took a hit from Gambit that put Gladiator on his ass. he wasn't even KO'd, and was left standing with shredded armor. Gladiator can take hits from Thor, and keep it somewhat together. So here's a suggestion, try to use Captain America a little less, and concentrate on how Supergirl survives from being chased down by a spear that up until now seemed pretty effective at taking down two very powerful characters.
If she hasn't killed anyone why post up a scan of her acting threatening? is that supposed to be what she does to PM? I hope not because GL's aren't exactly the most dominant characters in terms of physical might. Powerful yes, strong? Not so much.
The writers were introducing her, and in doing so had her spout off a lot about her powers in order to give the reader a sense of who she is, and what she can do. Are we in agreement? If so why are you still arguing about it?