Also at dial J: when I talked about changing speeds, I was merely using your own logic.
Although now you've changed yet again to the spear being slow because PM threw it relatively gently.
Which is theory #3 coming from you now lol. First it was a spear that needed time to speed up, then it was a spear that adjusted itself according to the target's speed, and now it is PM pulling her punches.
Originally posted by carver9
Now this could happen but why would Supergirl do all of that though? Proxima weapon isn't basic knowledge you know?
Given PM's penchant for monologuing and boasting about her awesome weapon mid fight (which you showed with Cap) it doesn't have to be common knowledge.
although, prove that it isn't. Half of New York and most of the Avengers saw it in action, as did Wakandans. it's not exactly a complicated weapon.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also at dial J: when I talked about changing speeds, I was merely using your own logic.Although now you've changed yet again to the spear being slow because PM threw it relatively gently.
Which is theory #3 coming from you now lol. First it was a spear that needed time to speed up, then it was a spear that adjusted itself according to the target's speed, and now it is PM pulling her punches.
... The spear requiring time to speed up was a theory and a possible good perk for the weapon in terms of adaptation... The other two claims were indeed facts. And why do you sound so surprised about people holding back? You know sandbagging is actually quite common in comics. If everyone was bloodlusted and went all out then things would be a lot different. And you cant use my own logic against me because I actually think about my arguments. I'm done here though because I see that although your the only one defending this argument, there is no convincing you.
Supergirl was kicked through a building, and nearly put down, while PM was causing an earthquake. Pretty sure SG won't be tossing PM around here. We also have no idea as to how fast PM is, which is another step you took without a reason for doing so.
As for PM talking about her weapon, it was the debut of the weapon, it had to be put out there like that so that the reader would know, or have some idea what it could do. This is pretty simple stuff. Once again you over analyze a situation to allow yourself some sort of vantage. You must deal with a lot of stupid people. It's the only way that you could possibly play the part that you're trying to sell here.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why is Monica getting tagged by her weapon is such a great showing? She doesn't always go lightspeed and has been tagged by normal arrows before. When she knew about it, she easily dodged them.
Don't play dumb. Monica saw a threat coming her way, and she tried to outrun it. She was unable to and was tagged. I guess if she was trying to outrun it, she could only have been moving at 60 MPH? Like I said please don't act stupid here Abhi.
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
... The spear requiring time to speed up was a theory and a possible good perk for the weapon in terms of adaptation... The other two claims were indeed facts. And why do you sound so surprised about people holding back? You know sandbagging is actually quite common in comics. If everyone was bloodlusted and went all out then things would be a lot different. And you cant use my own logic against me because I actually think about my arguments. I'm done here though because I see that although your the only one defending this argument, there is no convincing you.
Oh it's a fact now is it, that PM was holding back and her spear can change speed?
Yes I'm quite surprised that PM, a villain, a general in Thanos' army, and stated to be the most vicious member of the Cull Obsidian (in other words, the Black Death)....holds back.
Imagine if her opponent was blood lusted!!!!! Red Lanterns are known for their passive natures.
I can't see how you think your arguments through, tbh, but concession accepted.
Originally posted by Stoic
Don't play dumb. Monica saw a threat coming her way, and she tried to outrun it. She was unable to and was tagged. I guess if she was trying to outrun it, she could only have been moving at 60 MPH? Like I said please don't act stupid here Abhi.
Originally posted by Stoic
Supergirl was kicked through a building, and nearly put down, while PM was causing an earthquake. Pretty sure SG won't be tossing PM around here.
We also have no idea as to how fast PM is, which is another step you took without a reason for doing so.
Hmm, actually, maybe I'm on to something here. Panther > all.
As for PM talking about her weapon, it was the debut of the weapon, it had to be put out there like that so that the reader would know, or have some idea what it could do. This is pretty simple stuff. Once again you over analyze a situation to allow yourself some sort of vantage. You must deal with a lot of stupid people. It's the only way that you could possibly play the part that you're trying to sell here.
Originally posted by Stoic
Don't play dumb. Monica saw a threat coming her way, and she tried to outrun it. She was unable to and was tagged. I guess if she was trying to outrun it, she could only have been moving at 60 MPH? Like I said please don't act stupid here Abhi.
Or it was PIS that she got tagged.
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
... The spear requiring time to speed up was a theory and a possible good perk for the weapon in terms of adaptation... The other two claims were indeed facts. And why do you sound so surprised about people holding back? You know sandbagging is actually quite common in comics. If everyone was bloodlusted and went all out then things would be a lot different. And you cant use my own logic against me because I actually think about my arguments. I'm done here though because I see that although your the only one defending this argument, there is no convincing you.
One further thing: Proxima Midnight only went to Wakanda because Black Dwarf (another FEARED general in Thanos' mighty army) was defeated and sent packing by Wakanda. Despite this earlier failure, and despite the fact that they were there to succeed where BD had earlier failed, and despite the fact Thanos himself was there overseeing operations, PM was still.......holding back.
Good point 👆
With such a sh!tty army and sh!tty generals it's no wonder Thanos failed.
Originally posted by DarkRaiden
It does seem like PIS that Monica was tagged/affected. She normally can absorb any light and would have no reason to run or take damage. Just saiyan.
I can see that....so she's being chased, but not putting 100% effort in, because in the back of her mind, if she gets hit, she BELIEVES that she'd be able to absorb it.
I can actually see that being the case. But, no proof 🙁.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So was Cage. if you really think SG can't replicate what CAge does, then....hmm. Not much I can say, really.Except we know how she fights. She's slow enough to be tagged by a spear, and slow enough that CAge could pound on her. Whilst you can probably argue that she WANTED to get hit by a spear (no proof, btw) Cage still managed to punch her face in. Cage, who has been blitzed by a depowered Black Panther.
Hmm, actually, maybe I'm on to something here. Panther > all.
Yes, like she stopped to explain to Hulk in the very last issue of Infinity, and like how despite having Captain America's back to her, she stops to monologue and actually take the time to say goodbye. She also stopped to tell Shuri that she was going to throw a spear at her. Which wasn't at the debut of her weapon, either. [/B]
How old is the character 9Proxima)? How many books has she been in? This may have been old news to you, but there are many people that have no idea who she is. Wolverine kept saying his speech about what he does best for years before they stopped putting it out there that he was a bad ass. The writers are introducing the character, and they have to put what she can do out there, so that people can quickly understand who she is, and roughly how powerful she is. I don't believe that I actually have to explain this to you.
Supergirl gets hit as well, and it doesn't take the Flash to hit her. Don't try to pull that BS about speed up, when Supergirl gets kicked around on the regular.
Cage was taking an ass whipping. If they continued for much longer more than just his nearly unbreakable ribs would have been destroyed. Cage was in bad shape at the end of that fight. Do I need to bring up how Cage One Shot KO'd the Rhino? And that the Rhino is in the Things weight class?
You claim too much too early. You should slow it down. We have no idea of her speed. We do know that her spear was able to hit Monica, and I hope that you don't believe that Monica was moving at a low rate of speed when she was weaving, and dodging to escape being hit by it.
Originally posted by DarkRaiden
It does seem like PIS that Monica was tagged/affected. She normally can absorb any light and would have no reason to run or take damage. Just saiyan.
Do you know what the spear was putting out in terms of energy? or if it was energy at all? Do yourself a favor, and don't make assumptions when no one knows the full details yet. She was caught, it wasn't PIS. However if you want to get into PIS related feats, why don't we begin with mostly anything in comics. Do you really want to go there?
Originally posted by Stoic
How old is the character 9Proxima)? How many books has she been in? This may have been old news to you, but there are many people that have no idea who she is. Wolverine kept saying his speech about what he does best for years before they stopped putting it out there that he was a bad ass. The writers are introducing the character, and they have to put what she can do out there, so that people can quickly understand who she is, and roughly how powerful she is. I don't believe that I actually have to explain this to you.Supergirl gets hit as well, and it doesn't take the Flash to hit her. Don't try to pull that BS about speed up, when Supergirl gets kicked around on the regular.
Cage was taking an ass whipping. If they continued for much longer more than just his nearly unbreakable ribs would have been destroyed. Cage was in bad shape at the end of that fight. Do I need to bring up how Cage One Shot KO'd the Rhino? And that the Rhino is in the Things weight class?
You claim too much too early. You should slow it down. We have no idea of her speed. We do know that her spear was able to hit Monica, and I hope that you don't believe that Monica was moving at a low rate of speed when she was weaving, and dodging to escape being hit by it.
Exactly. PM has very few appearances. And some of them aren't that impressive at all.
Lol @ using the Rhino. Oh my. The Rhino?? Damn. THE Rhino???
Also, the seismic activity seems mainly to stem from CAGE punching her, not PM punching:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114649/3492319-cage+vs+proxima+midnight.jpg
Note how she is unable (or perhaps, you want to spin it as unwilling??) to dodge, or block. Blood, flying from her mouth. Luke Cage, who again, as I said, was blitzed by a depowered Black Panther.
So the monologuing to Captain America when he had his back turned to her, about good captains (so she OBVIOUSLY knew who they were - carver, this is directed at you - and should know about Cap's awesome shield) and actually saying farewell to them etc - thus giving Cap time to prep himself (as carver/dial suggest) for her spear in FULL view of her - this is the writer establishing what she can do, is it??
As for you great point about BS and speed, at least we have FAST showings from Supergirl (abhi posted them on page 2). What higher speed feats do we have from PM? None, as you yourself admit. So we at least know SG can move faster than when she's portrayed in comic book fights, but from PM's side - nada.
Originally posted by Stoic
Do you know what the spear was putting out in terms of energy? or if it was energy at all? Do yourself a favor, and don't make assumptions when no one knows the full details yet. She was caught, it wasn't PIS. However if you want to get into PIS related feats, why don't we begin with mostly anything in comics. Do you really want to go there?
Originally posted by Stoic
She was hit, and she would be hit again if they fought again. It was not PIS. However the writers took the opportunity to allow Blue Marvel to shine through it all.
Stoic do what I did and give up. I said everything you said and they still can't grasp onto the idea that proxima's spear is unique. And they will ignore what you say and try to come up with an irrelevant argument to try to favor them. Logic doesn't seem to compute with them.
