Originally posted by Time Immemorial
^^Not rage?Considering you never shut up about the island being lifted? I know your mad 😆
Dude. I mentioned it once in a versus thread where feats mattered. You brought it up in this thread. Are you like in a continuous state of buthurt that even Routh is stronger than Cavil? (stronger physically, all Supermans are better actors than Routh. however my word is not law as I may constantly remind you all.)
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Dude. I mentioned it once in a versus thread where feats mattered. You brought it up in this thread. Are you like in a continuous state of buthurt that even Routh is stronger than Cavil? (stronger physically, all Supermans are better actors than Routh. however my word is not law as I may constantly remind you all.)
Who cares who was stronger, lol. The movie isn't based off that, every time you talk about this movie you rage, you bias for Zach Synder blinds you.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Who cares who was stronger, lol. The movie isn't based off that, every time you talk about this movie you rage, you bias for Zach Synder blinds you.
I already said my hatred might be blinding me... now you are just mimicking me. And that was exactly what I was saying, in versus the strength matters, here it doesn't, we are finally agreeing on something and you are being hostile. You should be happy. We're connecting.
Except I'm in favour of Reeves and you are in favour of Cavil. I don't think we can change each other's minds... so NEXT THREAD PLEASE!
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
I already said my hatred might be blinding me... now you are just mimicking me. And that was exactly what I was saying, in versus the strength matters, here it doesn't, we are finally agreeing on something and you are being hostile. You should be happy. We're connecting.Except I'm in favour of Reeves and you are in favour of Cavil. I don't think we can change each other's minds... so NEXT THREAD PLEASE!
Were am I being hostile? I been laughing this whole time.
Reeves is gone, Rip. The show must go on in present day.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Were am I being hostile? I been laughing this whole time.
Reeves is gone, Rip. The show must go on in present day.
*cries at reeves death* I was reading everything you were saying as hostile... but I want to put it in the past. I dream of making a KMC a place where we can all poke fun at each other's interests and opinions and than go back to Rob's Rectum and laugh about it.
Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
*cries at reeves death* I was reading everything you were saying as hostile... but I want to put it in the past. I dream of making a KMC a place where we can all poke fun at each other's interests and opinions and than go back to Rob's Rectum and laugh about it.
The part about your hatred for Zach blinds you was a spin off from Palatine talking to Anakin about hatred 😆
Originally posted by Lestov16
Actually, this is my re-examined opinion. Did you not see my original review of MOS? And odd how you singled me out when every person in this thread clearly has their own staunch opinion on the film. Also, whereas I went point by point debunking some flawed perceptions of the film, you just put down a simplistic "NO U RONG". You are the epitome of objective criticism. Those bee stings are starting to affect your brain.
You have to admit though, the script was extremely weak. The only reason lots of people enjoyed MoS was because of the special effects, fights and awesome music.
The acting was subpar, dialogue was awful, tone was unnecessarily dark and joyless. Avengers maybe didn't have the editing/directing quality, but it was fun, interesting, rewatchable and blood pumping because of its script and characters.
Supes took itself too seriously. I'm all for violence and great fight sequences (Cap 2), but a movie should have character and personality. MoS had no character or charm, rendering it bland.
Hopefully the script for supes v bats is better
Reeve played a Superman that frankly isn't relevant anymore. Times have changed.
That said, he did it brilliantly, and his ability to shift between the awkwardness of Clark Kent and the cool, composed confidence of Superman was, imo, outstanding. It's a feat no actor has managed to do since.
Can Cavill do it? I don't know; we'll see in the next movie I'm sure.
One thing I've noticed though, is that whether people enjoyed MOS or not, depends a lot on their own personal view of how Superman should be, and because MOS doesn't match everyone's idea, many aren't going to like it.
It wasn't even my ideal version, but it got enough right that it deserves more than the hammering it takes on this board, imo.
[QUOTE=14730721]Originally posted by Darth Martin
[B]Matter of opinion though. If anything Avengers and MOS are on par.
I consider myself open minded friend but there are just to many people that disagree with you.
There is a reason MOS made 650 millon vs avengers 1.5 billion. But we both have our own opinions on the subject.
Originally posted by zeel
[QUOTE=14730721]Originally posted by Darth Martin
[B]Matter of opinion though. If anything Avengers and MOS are on par.I consider myself open minded friend but there are just to many people that disagree with you.
There is a reason MOS made 650 millon vs avengers 1.5 billion. But we both have our own opinions on the subject.
The Avengers was the culmination of a nearly 5 year marketing campaign including multiple solo films. MOS was just tenuously connected to the Batman films. Also, as shown by the Transformers films and Avatar, BO is not an indicator of a film's quality
Originally posted by Lestov16
The Avengers was the culmination of a nearly 5 year marketing campaign including multiple solo films. MOS was just tenuously connected to the Batman films. Also, as shown by the Transformers films and Avatar, BO is not an indicator of a film's quality
I agree 100% I never said there was a quality issues with mos, its up to the viewer to decide.
Originally posted by Lestov16
The Avengers was the culmination of a nearly 5 year marketing campaign including multiple solo films. MOS was just tenuously connected to the Batman films. Also, as shown by the Transformers films and Avatar, BO is not an indicator of a film's quality
Avengers is considered by many folks the greatest comic book movie made. Yes it had tremendous hype, but the fact that it lived up to the hype is a marvel to behold. Pun intended.
Originally posted by Kotor3
When did I make this claim? Won’t you explain how the development was deep?My statement is that the character development for Superman was not done well, not that there wasn’t any.
I broken this down in previous threads but in short as an example;
The Synder took over an hour of the film to show us Clark trying to find his way and not knowing what to do with himself. Very draw out and boring. Donner was able to do this in about 20mins or less.It was clear in Donner film that Clark could not save his father and it has a lasting effect on him that was seen again when he decided to change back time so he could save Louis. See the relationship between the scenes and story.
In Donner version we see Superman study for years (in Superman I) about earth his powers and the civilization he came from. This also made it believable that he was able to defeat Zod and his companions.
There definitely wasn’t that same feel and connection in MOS. Still do not know why the dad went for the dog and why Clark let him die. Nor how he was able to defeat military train soldiers who had the same abilities as him without him being well learned in his powers.
Donner version seem well developed while Snyder version seems rushed.
Donner spend an hour of screen time with superman getting trolled by the football team, running around Smallville and building the fortress of solitude.
Synder had some sick backstory on how he found his way, interaction with his father in a way we never seen and his death. And entire production of Krypton and its technology. How and why Krypton blew up, how Jor El died, he was a total bad ass by the way. How much his parents loved him. Knowing he would die anywhere else but found the one spot he could survive and flourish. I'll take the Synder story and rendition any day over the past one with all its gaps in Krypton past and what it was like.
Originally posted by marwash22
the point of this thread, what is it?Seems like you made an entire thread to voice your personal opinion which could have been done in the actual MoS thread.
He needed a platform for his subjective argument which consists of proof by assertion and "I don't like thing."
Originally posted by Lestov16
I think 2011. But that's not relevant.
This definitely explains a lot. It is clear why you always talk of Reeve’s superman being cheesy.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Let's say I showed your 9 year old self Superman II and MOS back to back. Can you honestly tell me your child self would have enjoyed Superman II better? [/B]
Dude at that age I thought Superman IV was a great movie due to the action. I would think the same of Superman II and MOS. It wasn’t until I got older that my appreciation for the first two superman movies grew and I could tell how horrible of a movie Superman IV was.