Originally posted by Kotor3
He clearly knew when to stop before Louis die so as to rescue her. He did not just go back at a random time. If that was the case he would have had to rescue everyone else that he did previously.
Well, personally, I think that Manhattan vapes Superman, Thor, and Silver Surfer right when the fight starts because none of them have a magical resistance to his vaping ability.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, personally, I think that Manhattan vapes Superman, Thor, and Silver Surfer right when the fight starts because none of them have a magical resistance to his vaping ability.
I know you feel that way.
I have yet to see any proof that he can just vaporize them. I believe his powers will work but not immediately. Not before one them attacks him.
Lets go with Thor here. I am not sure Manhattan powers would work on Thor's hammer.
All matter is not the same. You are making it out like Manhattan can destroy a star like he can a human because it is made of matter.
That is ridiculous. Even if he could it wouldn't take the same amount of time.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I know you feel that way.I have yet to see any proof that he can just vaporize them.
I already posted evidence: a video showing how the vaping works. He just vapes them like any other being composed of matter.
Originally posted by Kotor3
All matter is not the same. You are making it out like Manhattan can destroy a star like he can a human because it is made of matter.
I do not see why he couldn't. But pretend he can't because it's too big...
Here's the problem with thinking he can't because a star is too big: he can just duplicate himself enough times until he has as many copies of himself needed to blow up the star. As soon as he has enough, he then destroys the star.
Being a Demi-god has its benefits. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
I already posted evidence: a video showing how the vaping works. He just vapes them like any other being composed of matter.
A human and a tank is not Superman, Surfer, or Thor. Examples have been given as to how you cannot liken anything Manhattan has vaporized to that of Superman, Surfer, or Thor.
The point is you are not accepting it. I have already stated that perhaps the Dr. can vaporize them. It wouldn’t happen in a flash and he would not complete the process since they would attack him immediately.
Let’s put this in perspective:
Thor:
Dr. starts to attack Thor at the sub atomic level to vaporize him. Thor’s hammer (which has been shown with the ability to bring him back to life from the dead) simply revives Thor atomic structure. If Thor is vaporized his hammer brings him back. Either way I do not see how Dr. wins by vaporizing Thor unless he can destroy his hammer.
Surfer:
Surfer can manipulate his own matter and is a comic being. So, I do not see how it would work on him.
Superman:
His particles are empowered by the Sun to keep his body structure indestructible. So something trying to break down his molecular structure would have to be extremely powerful. Yet his molecular structure has been shown to endure the force of creating a rift in space and time and going through the rift. I feel to see how he would be vaporized in an instance.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I do not see why he couldn't. But pretend he can't because it's too big...
Here's the problem with thinking he can't because a star is too big: he can just duplicate himself enough times until he has as many copies of himself needed to blow up the star. As soon as he has enough, he then destroys the star.
Being a Demi-god has its benefits. 🙂
Your failure to see why he couldn’t explains why you think all of his components would just be vaporized.
Here is the failure with your argument you use vaporize in connection with manipulation. They are not the same. If you, manipulate matter that will cause a reaction that will have a result. If you vaporize something you destroy it immediately.
One is immediate the other isn’t. We have seen nothing that shows Dr. Manhattan can vaporize a star. He may be able to manipulate its matter to cause a reaction but that is not the same as vaporizing.
Originally posted by Kotor3
A human and a tank is not Superman, Surfer, or Thor. Examples have been given as to how you cannot liken anything Manhattan has vaporized to that of Superman, Surfer, or Thor.The point is you are not accepting it. I have already stated that perhaps the Dr. can vaporize them. It wouldn’t happen in a flash and he would not complete the process since they would attack him immediately.
Let’s put this in perspective:
Thor:
Dr. starts to attack Thor at the sub atomic level to vaporize him. Thor’s hammer (which has been shown with the ability to bring him back to life from the dead) simply revives Thor atomic structure. If Thor is vaporized his hammer brings him back. Either way I do not see how Dr. wins by vaporizing Thor unless he can destroy his hammer.Surfer:
Surfer can manipulate his own matter and is a comic being. So, I do not see how it would work on him.Superman:
His particles are empowered by the Sun to keep his body structure indestructible. So something trying to break down his molecular structure would have to be extremely powerful. Yet his molecular structure has been shown to endure the force of creating a rift in space and time and going through the rift. I feel to see how he would be vaporized in an instance.Your failure to see why he couldn’t explains why you think all of his components would just be vaporized.
Here is the failure with your argument you use vaporize in connection with manipulation. They are not the same. If you, manipulate matter that will cause a reaction that will have a result. If you vaporize something you destroy it immediately.
One is immediate the other isn’t. We have seen nothing that shows Dr. Manhattan can vaporize a star. He may be able to manipulate its matter to cause a reaction but that is not the same as vaporizing.
Don't you think the problem is you not accepting that Manhattan vapes everyone without trouble? He has constructed very large and complicated objects, so we know the "solidness" of an object is not an issue, nor is scale. 🙂
When the fight starts, all 3 vape and Manhattan ponders the nature of the universe at the same time.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't you think the problem is you not accepting that Manhattan vapes everyone without trouble? He has constructed very large and complicated objects, so we know the "solidness" of an object is not an issue, nor is scale. 🙂When the fight starts, all 3 vape and Manhattan ponders the nature of the universe at the same time.
No, because I am giving examples to back up my argument.
Manhattan’s ability to manipulate matter is not in question. Solid? You really think being solid is what makes his other components molecular structure special?
Vaporization in the sense you are using it: “Molecules lose their atomic bonds and fly apart".
You have yet to counter anything concerning Thor’s hammer revival qualities, Superman’s molecular structure, or Surfer. Let alone you are not even addressing the comments.
Originally posted by Kotor3
No, because I am giving examples to back up my argument.
Manhattan’s ability to manipulate matter is not in question. [QUOTE=14746969]Originally posted by Kotor3
[B]Solid? You really think being solid is what makes his other components molecular structure special?
No, you did, because you used the tank argument as though it were a good argument. It wasn't. I told you why it wasn't. 🙂
Originally posted by Kotor3
You have yet to counter anything concerning Thor’s hammer revival qualities,
Doesn't exist. That's just some creative interpretation on your part. I ignore things like this in discussions so I don't waste time on it. 🙂
Originally posted by Kotor3
Superman’s molecular structure, or Surfer.
And both of them get vaped. 🙂
Originally posted by Kotor3
Let alone you are not even addressing the comments.
Most of the stuff you bring up is not worth addressing. It's mostly repetitious.
In order to defeat Manhattan, they will all need to have special magical shields that block Manhattan's powers. That's quite silly to assume. Maybe Reed Richards could create a tachyon emission machine but that still does not disable Manhattan: all it does is block his ability to see all potential realities.
Do you have any solid evidence that Thor, Supes, and Surfer have different quantum fields than normal matter? Hell, you could describe Surfer as being a solidified vulnerable form of Jon in terms of power and weakness. In fact tachyons weaken him far FAR more than they do Doc. They rendered him utterly powerless, whereas they only block Doc's precog, which won't matter. Doc is thus clearly on another level. Supes going superluminal only obstructs his precog, which won't matter. Thor has done nothing to show he is on Doc's scale.
The most important thing of all here is that they are all limited to physical attacks, which Doc can phase through or regenerate from. Doc on the other hand has a viable method of winning, which is only opposed by claims of the team having alternate quantum fields which have no onscreen merit.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You haven't.
Originally posted by dadudemon
We did not actually see the Silver Surfer after the explosion.
Originally posted by dadudemon
And I noticed you did not address the point I made in my post (the actually only point I made) that destroys your position, utterly. Stop being a turd and concede. You know I'm right.
Originally posted by dadudemon
He has constructed very large and complicated objects, so we know the "solidness" of an object is not an issue, nor is scale. 🙂
I am beginning to suspect that Manhattan's blue dong is the sole reason why you're so ardently supporting him in this thread.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Do you have any solid evidence that Thor, Supes, and Surfer have different quantum fields than normal matter? Hell, you could describe Surfer as being a solidified vulnerable form of Jon in terms of power and weakness. In fact tachyons weaken him far FAR more than they do Doc. They rendered him utterly powerless, whereas they only block Doc's precog, which won't matter. Doc is thus clearly on another level. Supes going superluminal only obstructs his precog, which won't matter. Thor has done nothing to show he is on Doc's scale.The most important thing of all here is that they are all limited to physical attacks, which Doc can phase through or regenerate from. Doc on the other hand has a viable method of winning, which is only opposed by claims of the team having alternate quantum fields which have no onscreen merit.
No he doesn't. Manhattan's so-called atomization isn't even atomization at all. Atomization doesn't leave skeletal and blood remains when performed on a human body. As the movie itself notes, when Osterman's body was completely destroyed to the point that literally nothing was left to bury after the accident. Dr Manhattan's "atomization" however still leaves behind bodily remains.
What the Silver Surfer did to Dr Doom is called atomization, and atomic-scale reconstruction. What the Intrinsic Field Subtractor does is atomization. What Dr Manhattan is shown doing to a tank and a bunch of humans however is called "blowing shit up". Look it up in the dictionary.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Solid? You really think being solid is what makes his other components molecular structure special?
Manhattan's powerset is being way overwanked by a single poster on this thread.😬
Originally posted by Epicurus
YouTube video
😂, what an ignorant squab.
K.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Which point is this again? Reiterate and I'll destroy it as I've been doing for the last several pages with the rest of your Manhattan-cum-covered arguments.
No thank you. Play your games with someone else. If you honestly do not know which point I'm talking about, then you are too dumb to justify replying to. 🙂 You know which point I'm talking about but are playing coy to bait into another argument. So you're not dumb, you are, as usual, trolling.
Concede. I have destroyed every last point of yours.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No thank you. Play your games with someone else. If you honestly do not know which point I'm talking about, then you are too dumb to justify replying to. 🙂 You know which point I'm talking about but are playing coy to bait into another argument. So you're not dumb, you are, as usual, trolling.Concede. I have destroyed every last point of yours.
But if you're really serious about this debate, then let's battlezone Manhattan vs Silver Surfer. Movie feats only.
Originally posted by Epicurus
dur Look at this coward trying to go all internet tough guy on me. Sorry sweetheart, I don't swing that way.But if you're really serious about this debate, then let's battlezone Manhattan vs Silver Surfer. Movie feats only. dur
😆
Compared to what he can do vs. what he showed onscreen...why would I take a virtually featless character into a battlzone?
Also, I'm not 13. Battlezones or for children, imo.
But I did soundly destroy your arguments, already. You want a battlezone so the scenario has to be restricted to seen feats rather than implied ability. That's not even sneaky, on your part.
Go ahead, post a reply and whine about how much matter-manip Surfer has compared to Manhattan. 🙂
Tell me about his durability, some more. Maybe that will magically change the fact that you have been destroyed?
Edit - How about a battlezone with rules of my choosing instead of yours? 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
😆Compared to what he can do vs. what he showed onscreen...why would I take a virtually featless character into a battlzone?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - How about a battlezone with rules of my choosing instead of yours? 🙂
That is once you regain senses from that temporary e-seizure I just induced in you.
Originally posted by dadudemon
But I did soundly destroy your arguments, already. You want a battlezone so the scenario has to be restricted to seen feats rather than implied ability. That's not even sneaky, on your part.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, you did, because you used the tank argument as though it were a good argument. It wasn't. I told you why it wasn't. 🙂Doesn't exist. That's just some creative interpretation on your part. I ignore things like this in discussions so I don't waste time on it. 🙂
And both of them get vaped. 🙂
Most of the stuff you bring up is not worth addressing. It's mostly repetitious.
In order to defeat Manhattan, they will all need to have special magical shields that block Manhattan's powers. That's quite silly to assume. Maybe Reed Richards could create a tachyon emission machine but that still does not disable Manhattan: all it does is block his ability to see all potential realities.
Translation:
You have no answer and like to hear yourself talk.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Manhattan would kill them all instantly if that's what was going to happen...