Originally posted by DarthAnt66
To be honest, Vitiate's accolades saying he is the most powerful can easily be in a political/military standpoint. The dude was in total command of the entire Sith Empire.
The word "Force-user" doesn't mix with this kind of consideration.
Emperor Vitiate have lot of accolades so you are not going to get anywhere with this logic.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
And then I will still argue then Darth Nihilus can be above the Sith Emperor, to be honest. The hype that Darth Nihilus has, and then the feats that back it up are no joke.
Darth Nihilus had little control over his condition and greatest powers. Also, if his greatest power is negated, he is likely to falter.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
These sources are outdated in the context of coverage of content. Authors of these sources were not aware of SWTOR related developments, how would they be at that time?[B]Star Wars The Complete Encyclopedia
also have this statement:Once the most powerful and dangerous Dark Lords of the Sith, he was responsible for deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire.
So was Exar Kun really the most powerful Sith Lord prior to Darth Sidious?
This is why re-evaluation of all characters is important in the light of latest updates to the lore. Some statements in these sources can no longer be taken at face-value due to newer developments.
Latest (canon) promotion of Jedi Master Yoda is that he is stronger then most, not all. It is not necessary that he is stronger then each (ancient) Force-user including each (ancient) Jedi and Sith.
The accolade granted to both Yoda and Sidious in Star Wars: The Complete Encyclopedia is null and void in the light of latest official developments. These two are no longer regarded as most powerful practitioners of light and dark respectively even at official capacity. Timeline based justification for this accolade can also not work since The Ones are ancient beings. [/B]
1) The statement about Exar Kun is factual. He was the most power DLOTS, at the time. That stement doesn't say "Once the most powerful and dangerous Dark Lords of the Sith, until Darth Sidious, he was responsible for deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire." Again, just connecting the dots, like you said.
2) You don't get to declare a source null and void, just because it doesn't meet your standards. The fact is Vitiate was listed as the most powerful ever, up to that point, not beyond. Yoda and Sidious are the most powerful Light/Dark practitioners up to that point, and the Ones are another tier higher than everyone, except the Celestials (above the Ones) and Abeloth (on the same tier as the Ones).
3) You told me I couldn't use a timing argument, yet you look at when a source was published to decide it's worth.
Selenial and S_W_LeGenD, I don't think I've ever spoken to either of you and I'm not sure what the issue seems to be. What I do know is that S_W_LeGenD has been here almost 8 years without any warnings. Selenial, you've been here 9 days and have managed to antagonize someone who has never had a problem. This seems rather suspicious at best. So Selenial, my advice is to put S_W_LeGenD on ignore and stop spamming the report function with non-issues. Thank you.
Eh, I've known him a while.
Dudes trolled the Swtor forums for ages,
Also, I only reported like 3 posts, which where all him just being... Him after I told him to stop, 3 times.
Point is, whatever's still going on, I asked to stop. It's him carrying it on, just wanted that out there, seeing as a mod came to tell us off for being naughty children.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Treat the moderator with some respect please. What he does isn't easy. Thank you.
Uhh, none of that was really disrespectful.
If any of it looked that way, it wasn't intentional.
Then again I might have sounded condescending looking back on it, it's obvious that since LeGenD posts links to threads from early last year in attempts to discredit me,that I've known him a while.
I apologise if I did.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
1) The statement about Exar Kun is factual. He was the most power DLOTS, at the time. That stement doesn't say "Once the most powerful and dangerous Dark Lords of the Sith, until Darth Sidious, he was responsible for deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire." Again, just connecting the dots, like you said.2) You don't get to declare a source null and void, just because it doesn't meet your standards. The fact is Vitiate was listed as the most powerful ever, up to that point, not beyond. Yoda and Sidious are the most powerful Light/Dark practitioners up to that point, and the Ones are another tier higher than everyone, except the Celestials (above the Ones) and Abeloth (on the same tier as the Ones).
3) You told me I couldn't use a timing argument, yet you look at when a source was published to decide it's worth.
1. How can Exar Kun be the most powerful Sith Lord while co-existing with Sith Emperor?
2. How can Yoda and Sidious be the most powerful practitioners of light and dark respectively while co-existing with The Ones?
3. Timing argument makes no sense due to aforementioned facts.
I asked you to connect the dots but not forget logic.
Originally posted by Selenial
Eh, I've known him a while.Dudes trolled the Swtor forums for ages,
Also, I only reported like 3 posts, which where all him just being... Him after I told him to stop, 3 times.
Point is, whatever's still going on, I asked to stop. It's him carrying it on, just wanted that out there, seeing as a mod came to tell us off for being naughty children.
I have had enough of your propaganda, lies, insults and trolling.
I do not troll, I debate. You don't like my arguments, then don't bother replying. What you are doing is trolling and attacking me at personal capacity at every given opportunity.
I guess a Moderator have more credibility in assessing people then you would ever have.
Originally posted by Badabing
Selenial and S_W_LeGenD, I don't think I've ever spoken to either of you and I'm not sure what the issue seems to be. What I do know is that S_W_LeGenD has been here almost 8 years without any warnings. Selenial, you've been here 9 days and have managed to antagonize someone who has never had a problem. This seems rather suspicious at best. So Selenial, my advice is to put S_W_LeGenD on ignore and stop spamming the report function with non-issues. Thank you.
Have a look at just a "minor" posting history of Selenial:-
Originally posted by Selenial
"Its not your business to tell who should debate with who. Debates with you typically do not turn out meaningful either."Well there we have it.
LeGenD finally admits no one can have a meaningful debate with him.
Originally posted by Selenial
Nah, in all fairness he ain't LeGenD.I referenced them to your thread though 😛
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Originally posted by Selenial
You really are trolling us aren't you... Like you seriously have to be either mentally retarded or trolling us. I get you're not English, and it obviously doesn't come easy to you (Judging by your use of the language) so that's all well and good, but we've explained how your own quotes aren't saying what you think, and you still only come out with incredibly annoying attempts at claiming sources as out dated.But fine by me, I'll put you down, for old times sake.
Link: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14803417#post14803417
Notice that my response is clean and fair. However, check her attitude and insulting tone.
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Originally posted by Selenial
Or just intolerant of Moronic fanboys.Try again.
Also, read the thread brah.
Notice the language.
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This is just a minor history of how she is personally attacking me and trolling. I am sure that I can find lot of gems, if I search properly.
Check her trolling even in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t598576.html
I requested her to stop trolling but she didn't listen.
Please tell this member to mend her ways.
Originally posted by Selenial
Uhh, none of that was really disrespectful.If any of it looked that way, it wasn't intentional.
Then again I might have sounded condescending looking back on it, it's obvious that since LeGenD posts links to threads from early last year in attempts to discredit me,that I've known him a while.
I apologise if I did.
But no, you don't get it.
Be respectful to fellow members, and you will be respected as well.
Most of your posts are LeGend this, LeGenD that. Enough.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I never suggested otherwise. Though, there are many greats:
Tulak Hord, Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Darth Traya, etc.
Apart from the ones you mentioned, Darth Malgus, Lord Fulminiss, countless Dark Council members, Dread Masters, the original Exiles (Ajunta Pall; XoXaan; Karness Murr; Remulus Dreypa; Sorzus Syn) and so many others.
In-fact, many great Sith Lords served Sith Emperor, these Sith Lords had the potential to be Emperors in other eras independently.
Darth Sidious is not tested in ways like Sith Emperor have been, Darth Sidious prevented competition instead.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do you really think you are making any iota of sense with this gibberish?1. How can Exar Kun be the most powerful Sith Lord while co-existing with Sith Emperor?
2. How can Yoda and Sidious be the most powerful practitioners of light and dark respectively while co-existing with The Ones?
3. Timing argument makes no sense due to aforementioned facts.
I asked you to connect the dots but not forget logic.
Ok, a few things:
1) Exar Kun was viewed by Marka Ragnos as the Dark Lord of the Sith, not Vitiate. Yes, they both lived during the same time, but remember, noone was aware of Vitiate's existence, or the existence of his True Sith Empire, until he chose to reveal himself.
2) I thought I made myself clear, but I'll try again. The Ones aren't counted, because they are on another tier than Yoda, Sidious, Vitiate, and all other Force Users, sans Abeloth.
3)My comment about the timing argument was still valid. I pointed out how you said I couldn't use one, yet you look at a source's publication to determine it's worth. Where did I contradict myself?
4) I don't insult you, so I'd appreciate the same courtesy in return.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
1) Exar Kun was viewed by Marka Ragnos as the Dark Lord of the Sith, not Vitiate. Yes, they both lived during the same time, but remember, noone was aware of Vitiate's existence, or the existence of his True Sith Empire, until he chose to reveal himself.
Awareness factor is not a valid argument. It is clear now that Exar Kun co-existed with many powerful Sith Lords in the galaxy and he was not the strongest among the Sith.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
2) I thought I made myself clear, but I'll try again. The Ones aren't counted, because they are on another tier than Yoda, Sidious, Vitiate, and all other Force Users, sans Abeloth.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
3)My comment about the timing argument was still valid. I pointed out how you said I couldn't use one, yet you look at a source's publication to determine it's worth. Where did I contradict myself?
1. Publication date of sources
2. New information because it can retcon older information
Yoda and Sidious cannot be touted as most powerful practitioners of light and dark respectively in the light of latest content due to revision of the ground realities of the mythos on the whole.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
4) I don't insult you, so I'd appreciate the same courtesy in return.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
What does the HoloNet say? Can't be asked to check.Anyway the SWTORE describes it as rumour, my point being that something that is in some sources described as just hearsay is hardly going to be a feat that such elaborate conclusions that Legend has drawn can be made, for example that the Sith Emperor is actually a glorified weather man.
Lord Scourge came to know about Emperor's involvement in influencing the entire environment of Dromund Kaas from Darth Nyriss and/or other Sith in the form of rumors and hearsay. This revelation is in SWTOR(R).
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nor do I recall ever calling you a fanboy, the only fanboy I see here is Legend and DarthAnt who seem intent on putting every Tom, Dick and Harry in the TOR era on level with Yoda and Sidious. Don't even get me started on the One's.
I believe in the possibility of Sith Emperor being stronger then Yoda and Sidious.
Darth Nox may also have wielded greater might then Yoda and Sidious (ROTS/ROTJ) by augmenting his power with combined might of several Force ghosts he bind to himself using sorcery. I regard him as an anomaly.
HoT and Barsen'thor (3) and Darth Jadus could be rivals of Yoda and Sidious (ROTS/ROTJ).
Not every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Sidious (DE) is likely more powerful then anybody barring Sith Emperor and some entities/godlike beings.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Please stop lying, OK?I have had enough of your propaganda, lies, insults and trolling.
I do not troll, I debate. You don't like my arguments, then don't bother replying. What you are doing is trolling and attacking me at personal capacity at every given opportunity.
I guess a Moderator have more credibility in assessing people then you would ever have.
Thank you, Sir.
Have a look at just a "minor" posting history of Selenial:-
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Link: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14803417#post14803417
Notice that my response is clean and fair. However, check her attitude and insulting tone.
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Notice the language.
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This is just a minor history of how she is personally attacking me and trolling. I am sure that I can find lot of gems, if I search properly.
Check her trolling even in this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t598576.html
I requested her to stop trolling but she didn't listen.
Please tell this member to mend her ways.
As I've asked you 3 times now, and a moderators asked you twice, Take it out of these threads.