Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He doesn't have Ones like hype from anyone but you. 😬
Emperor have been officially touted as a god-like being, embodiment of the dark side itself and most powerful Force-user ever. He also acquired condition similar to that of The Ones.
Emperor have The Ones like hype. Doesn't matters who is recognized as most powerful Force-user in the mythos, Emperor's official hype is just like The Ones.
Do not try to overreact in favor of The Ones.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dude, this is getting annoying now.Emperor have been officially touted as a god-like being, embodiment of the dark side itself and most powerful Force-user ever. He also acquired condition similar to that of The Ones.
Emperor have The Ones like hype. Doesn't matters who is recognized as most powerful Force-user in the mythos, Emperor's official hype is just like The Ones.
Do not try to overreact in favor of The Ones.
If anyone believed that Vitiate was actually godlike, they wouldn't be plotting to overthrow him all the time with such a small number of people. They wouldn't be able to trap him on a thirty year plan, and they wouldn't send five people to capture him. This has so little to do with the Ones, and more to do with your overblowing of Vitiate.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI'm talking about this notion that the Sith Emperor corrupted the environment of Dromund Kaas, he did not, only the stratosphere.
Darth Thanaton performed rituals single-handedly.No one is credited for participation in the feat of corruption of the entire environment of Dromund Kaas but Emperor only. Therefore, Emperor performed rituals single-handedly as well.
Emperor is stupendously powerful Force-user. No need to underestimate his capabilities. He doesn't have The Ones like hype for being a regular.
There is a difference between not underestimating a character and creating fanon.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceLol duh he was totally lying to scare Anakin. 🙄
Yes, I remember when the Sith stated that Vitiate held the balance of the Force itself in check. Oh wait...If anyone believed that Vitiate was actually godlike, they wouldn't be plotting to overthrow him all the time with such a small number of people. They wouldn't be able to trap him on a thirty year plan, and they wouldn't send five people to capture him. This has so little to do with the Ones, and more to do with your overblowing of Vitiate.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes, I remember when the Sith stated that Vitiate held the balance of the Force itself in check. Oh wait...If anyone believed that Vitiate was actually godlike, they wouldn't be plotting to overthrow him all the time with such a small number of people. They wouldn't be able to trap him on a thirty year plan, and they wouldn't send five people to capture him. This has so little to do with the Ones, and more to do with your overblowing of Vitiate.
Their will always be individuals and organizations in the galaxy who would stand up against greatest threats to the galaxy. Jedi and Sith joined hands to destroy Abeloth, right? They did the same against Emperor Vitiate.
Emperor Vitiate have remained in power and ruled over an Empire as Sith Emperor for over a thousand years. Many attempts had been made on his life during this span of existence from both Sith and Jedi, but all failed. Opportunity only came when Emperor Vitiate lost much of his power in the disruption of his most ambitious ritual by his enemies, during this time of vulnerability, HoT and his allies took chances again and succeeded at stopping Emperor Vitiate. However, Emperor Vitiate is not gone yet, his minions had been in contact with him after his presumed demise.
I am not overblowing Emperor Vitiate, I am presenting facts about him, I have mentioned official statements that verify my position in this matter.
If you and some others have decided to react blindly and reject official information of a character due to sheer bias factor, I cannot do much. But don't accuse me of bias factor because you people are doing even better at projecting bias then me in favor of The Ones. Difference is that I am dared to debate in favor of BioWare character, some didn't like this. Blasphemy.
Regardless of sides taken, recognize that Emperor's hype is comparable to that of The Ones in official sources. No room for argument in this matter.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'm talking about this notion that the Sith Emperor corrupted the environment of Dromund Kaas, he did not, only the stratosphere.There is a difference between not underestimating a character and creating fanon.
In a way, Emperor corrupted the entire environment of Dromund Kaas by changing its climatic conditions. This development would have an impact on both flora and fauna of the planet. Emperor's ritual wasn't restricted to a specific region, it encompassed the entire stratosphere of a very big world. Emperor spent great deal of energy to perform this action. It is not a small thing.
In addition to changing the climatic conditions of Dromund Kaas, he also created a powerful nexus of dark side on this planet; Dark Temple is proof of this.
Do not try to lessen feats of Emperor with your skewed perceptions.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAll that book does is reinforce the fact he did.
Father didn't kept the Force in balance at cosmic scale. I suggest that you read [B]Star Wars: Darth Plagueis.Their will always be individuals and organizations in the galaxy who would stand up against greatest threats to the galaxy. Jedi and Sith joined hands to destroy Abeloth, right? They did the same against Emperor Vitiate.
Emperor Vitiate have remained in power and ruled over an Empire as Sith Emperor for over a thousand years. Many attempts had been made on his life during this span of existence from both Sith and Jedi, but all failed. Opportunity only came when Emperor Vitiate lost much of his power in the disruption of his most ambitious ritual by his enemies, during this time of vulnerability, HoT and his allies took chances again and succeeded at stopping Emperor Vitiate. However, Emperor Vitiate is not gone yet, his minions had been in contact with him after his presumed demise.
I am not overblowing Emperor Vitiate, I am presenting facts about him, I have mentioned official statements that verify my position in this matter.
If you and some others have decided to react blindly and reject official information of a character due to sheer bias factor, I cannot do much. But don't accuse me of bias factor because you people are doing even better at projecting bias then me in favor of The Ones. Difference is that I am dared to debate in favor of BioWare character, some didn't like this. Blasphemy.
Regardless of sides taken, recognize that Emperor's hype is comparable to that of The Ones in official sources. No room for argument in this matter. [/B]
I'll respond to you in full later but you can't just pass this off as lies because it suits you, that is willfully ignoring the evidence. And of course you lack any definitive proof that suggest they did, the fact that the databank does not mention it is not proof.
We accept that the Sith Emperor is not more powerful than everyone, and you accuse us of biased? No one agrees with you Legend, nobody, take some pointers from that.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYou said the entire enviroment, the stratosphere does not make up the entire enviroment of a world, Legend.
Stratosphere is part of the environment of a world, Beni. Climatic conditions have direct influence over ecosystems of a world.In a way, Emperor corrupted the entire environment of Dromund Kaas by changing its climatic conditions. This development would have an impact on both flora and fauna of the planet. Emperor's ritual wasn't restricted to a specific region, it encompassed the entire stratosphere of a very big world. Emperor spent great deal of energy to perform this action. It is not a small thing.
In addition to changing the climatic conditions of Dromund Kaas, he also created a powerful nexus of dark side on this planet; Dark Temple is proof of this.
Do not try to lessen feats of Emperor with your skewed perceptions.
No evidence suggests that this change in weather had a drastic impact on the nature of the world. Reinforced by the fact that when they first arrived on the planet the flora and fauna was just as deadly (and very similar in all respects) as it currently is.
You are making assumptions, big assumptions, and you lack a proper basis.
Don't be rude to me when you are making up fanon.
EDIT: Also, evidence that Kaas is larger than normal planets?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
You said the entire enviroment, the stratosphere does not make up the entire enviroment of a world, Legend.No evidence suggests that this change in weather had a drastic impact on the nature of the world. Reinforced by the fact that when they first arrived on the planet the flora and fauna was just as deadly (and very similar in all respects) as it currently is.
You are making assumptions, big assumptions, and you lack a proper basis.
Don't be rude to me when you are making up fanon.
Power hungry, the Emperor spent great energy discovering and perfecting esoteric rites of darkness – rituals that wrecked the atmosphere of Dromund Kaas, transforming the ionosphere into a swirling electric storm.
Source: http://www.swtor.com/holonet/planets/dromund-kaas
Climatic conditions have significant impact on conditions of flora and fauna in real life. Same would have happened in Dromund Kaas as well, these minute details are not to be spoon-fed to the masses. Common sense is required to understand these matters.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
EDIT: Also, evidence that Kaas is larger than normal planets?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He needs rituals to do them. 😬
For Mortis, it happens if they a near that part of the planet.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
All that book does is reinforce the fact he did.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'll respond to you in full later but you can't just pass this off as lies because it suits you, that is willfully ignoring the evidence. And of course you lack any definitive proof that suggest they did, the fact that the databank does not mention it is not proof.We accept that the Sith Emperor is not more powerful than everyone, and you accuse us of biased? No one agrees with you Legend, nobody, take some pointers from that.
I honestly don't care who is the most powerful Force-user ever in the mythos. The ground realities of this mythos change continuously, I am simply pointing out the fact that Emperor Vitiate have comparable hype to that of The Ones, at-least in Legends continuity. No fabrication here.
It is not OK to deliberately ignore some data just because it doesn't fits your perception of Star Wars.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Father didn't kept the Force in balance at cosmic scale. I suggest that you read Star Wars: Darth Plagueis.
Their will always be individuals and organizations in the galaxy who would stand up against greatest threats to the galaxy. Jedi and Sith joined hands to destroy Abeloth, right? They did the same against Emperor Vitiate.
Emperor Vitiate have remained in power and ruled over an Empire as Sith Emperor for over a thousand years. Many attempts had been made on his life during this span of existence from both Sith and Jedi, but all failed. Opportunity only came when Emperor Vitiate lost much of his power in the disruption of his most ambitious ritual by his enemies, during this time of vulnerability, HoT and his allies took chances again and succeeded at stopping Emperor Vitiate. However, Emperor Vitiate is not gone yet, his minions had been in contact with him after his presumed demise.
I am not overblowing Emperor Vitiate, I am presenting facts about him, I have mentioned official statements that verify my position in this matter.If you and some others have decided to react blindly and reject official information of a character due to sheer bias factor, I cannot do much. But don't accuse me of bias factor because you people are doing even better at projecting bias then me in favor of The Ones. Difference is that I am dared to debate in favor of BioWare character, some didn't like this. Blasphemy.
Regardless of sides taken, recognize that Emperor's hype is comparable to that of The Ones in official sources. No room for argument in this matter.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I suggest you watch the Mortis trilogy. While they may have shifted the balance in the Force, the Father makes it very clear that the balance of Mortis coincides with the balance of the galaxy. Either way, Vitiate has never been claimed to hold balance anywhere.
I have never claimed that Emperor Vitiate performed this kind of action. However, some revelations are interesting:
The Force was omnipresent. It radiated stronger in certain places and at certain times, and the balance of the dark side and the light constantly shifted. But it was always there in some way, shape, or form.*
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"The Force always strives for balance. The Emperor is an agent of darkness and destruction. It is inevitable that a champion of the light will one day rise to oppose him. I may be that champion." He spoke with no hint of hubris. "I've played the role before. At the very least, I will make the Emperor step back and reconsider his plan. If that is my fate—if my role is to sacrifice myself for the one who will come next—then I embrace it."*
*Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes, yes, and all it took was Luke Skywalker and Darth Krayt, considering that Abeloth was never considered to be on the Ones level, this also doesn't matter.
Consider the example of an entity known as Sel Makor, it acquired multiple avatars by possessing multiple individuals and used them to spread its influence in Voss. Several of its avatars were struck down in various battles by both Jedi and Sith. However, this entity was silenced by a sacrifice, it wasn't falling otherwise. If remained uncontested, this entity would have eventually threatened the entire galaxy.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
We're talking about hype, not facts by the way. Yes, Vitiate most likely survived, but he was never thought to be "god-like," by most of the people who went to deal with him. Even after meeting him, these same allies think that the HoT can still compete with, and in Scourge's case, replace the Emperor.
Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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If Vitiate had been as cunning as Meetra imagined him to be, he wouldn't have led his followers directly to Dromund Kaas. Instead, he would have taken them on a long and trying exodus—during which the Sith would have been forced to turn to him time and again for support and guidance, their dependence on him growing until he went from leader to hero to savior. By the time they finally reached Dromund Kaas, they would likely have worshiped Vitiate as a god—all-powerful and all-knowing. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
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Hidden in deep space and shrouded by storms, Dromund Kaas became the new capital of the Sith Empire. The Emperor rallied the population with promises of revenge against the Republic - and then he retreated into seclusion. His will was to be carried out by the Dark Council, a group of powerful and intelligent Sith Lords. The Emperor's supremacy was absolute, and below him the rule of the Sith reshaped the Empire's resurgence. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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For generations, the Emperor would remain withdrawn from society. When he finally appeared, the Emperor spoke only to the Dark Council, reducing the most powerful Sith in the Empire to trembling sycophants in his presence. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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No Sith has generated as much curiosity, frustration, and fear among the Jedi as the Empire's dread ruler. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Emperor Vitiate was a god-like being, he intimidated everybody. However, he was among the greatest threats to the galaxy so he had to be stopped. His enemies could not afford to let him have his way.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Calm down. The fact that Vitiate isn't on the Ones level nor hyped as much as they are is not an insult to Vitiate. This is like saying that since no one thinks that Obi-Wan is on the Ones level, everyone must hate Obi-Wan and think that he is weak.Official sources say that the ones are above all seen before them. Official sources claim that Sidious was the most powerful Sith of all time. Official sources only claim that Vitiate is the most powerful being seen up until the point TOR begins.
Official ground realities continue to change with passage of time. Years ago, Darth Sidious was insanely hyped in the lore. Later on, Emperor Vitiate and The Ones were introduced to the lore and changed the ground realities of the lore accordingly with matching level of hype. Presently, Emperor Vitiate have been shifted to Legends Continuity while The Ones remain part of Canon continuity. Star Wars mythos is a continuously evolving subject.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
True. Honestly forgot to mention them. Still a lot more impressive than any team sent after Vitiate.
Shame on Abeloth.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Luke and Krayt > Dark Council.
No duo equals and/or exceeds an entire Dark Council in might, conventionally speaking.
Emperor is seemingly the greatest master of Sith Sorcery, his talents allowed him to subdue greatest of the threats in battles. Abeloth have different ground realities in comparison.