Revan's Raw Power Comparison

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Don't be a fool.

No duo equals and/or exceeds an entire Dark Council in might, conventionally speaking.

Emperor is seemingly the greatest master of Sith Sorcery, his talents allowed him to subdue greatest of the threats in battles. Abeloth have different ground realities in comparison.

Well that's just plain wrong.

Luke's stupidly overpowered because, y'know, reasons, but he could Solo the damn Dark Council.

Greatest blademaster in History, literally walked through a blast from an AT-AT (It shot him, he didnt even move, and it reflected back into the AT-AT and destroyed it) WoL feats like no tomorrow.

Then there's the usual opening up to the force so much he glowed gold, had the greatest force ability of any force user in history, took down DE Palpatine and shizzle.

Originally posted by Selenial
Well that's just plain wrong.

Luke's stupidly overpowered because, y'know, reasons, but he could Solo the damn Dark Council.

Greatest blademaster in History, literally walked through a blast from an AT-AT (It shot him, he didnt even move, and it reflected back into the AT-AT and destroyed it) WoL feats like no tomorrow.

Then there's the usual opening up to the force so much he glowed gold, had the greatest force ability of any force user in history, took down DE Palpatine and shizzle.

It is not possible to solo an entire Dark Council by conventional methods, without use of most lethal and dangerous of the dark side abilities. Force Storm (Wormhole) is one of such abilities as an example.

As strong as Luke Skywalker is, he wouldn't stand a chance against an entire Dark Council. A single member of Dark Council is among the most powerful of the Sith Lords with exception of Emperor himself. Dark Council members have insane feats as well, as apparent from examples and revelations in SWTOR content.

Emperor Vitiate would have knowledge of some of most lethal talents of the dark side, he seemingly used one such ability to destroy the rebellious Dark Council because he collapsed it instantly. It is possible that this mysterious power bypassed the defenses of the Sith Lords. Sith sorcery is a terrifying art.

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Originally posted by Emperordmb
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All of these didn't confront a single avatar of Abeloth. They split and fought multiple avatars of Abeloth separately.

Emperor Vitiate fought 12 Sith Lords in a single battle.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are wrong about this, girl.

It is not possible to solo an entire Dark Council by conventional methods, without use of most lethal and dangerous of the dark side abilities. Force Storm (Wormhole) is one of such abilities as an example.

As strong as Luke Skywalker is, he wouldn't stand a chance against an entire Dark Council. A single member of Dark Council is among the most powerful of the Sith Lords with exception of Emperor himself. Dark Council members have insane feats as well, as apparent from examples and revelations in SWTOR content.

Emperor Vitiate would have knowledge of some of most lethal talents of the dark side, he seemingly used one such ability to destroy the rebellious Dark Council because he collapsed it instantly. It is possible that this mysterious power bypassed the defenses of the Sith Lords. Sith sorcery is a terrifying art.

You don't seem to understand the basic principles of how the force works.

If you are alone, against 10 people who are 70% of your power level, you would demolish them.

This is evidenced when Sidious simply slaughtered 3 Jedi Masters with ease, because despite all their power, he was just better.

Vader was 80% of Sidious' power, and yet we know that if Sidious wanted, he could kill him with the flick of a wrist.

Skywalker has done far more impressive feats than the Sith Emperor, he could destroy the Entire Dark council with ease, because he's just that good.

Luke sustained and moved a Black hole, whilst at the same time moving massive beasts into them.

He rebuilt, and destroyed, a fortress on Coruscant using only his TK abilities.

He's used the force to teleport object.
He's used the force to create a perfect replica of a ship.
He's managed to overcome the Ysalmiri, who halt the ability to use the force in a radius around them, similar to Natheema.
He's walked on lava, became a force ghost, Luke made himself an immovable object so that not even the greatest Black Hole in the galaxy could move him. Was described as "A maelstrom of luminous Force energy, against which there was no shelter"

I shouldn't need to go on.

Originally posted by Selenial
You don't seem to understand the basic principles of how the force works.

If you are alone, against 10 people who are 70% of your power level, you would demolish them.

This is evidenced when Sidious simply slaughtered 3 Jedi Masters with ease, because despite all their power, he was just better.

Vader was 80% of Sidious' power, and yet we know that if Sidious wanted, he could kill him with the flick of a wrist.

Skywalker has done far more impressive feats than the Sith Emperor, he could destroy the Entire Dark council with ease, because he's just that good.

Luke sustained and moved a Black hole, whilst at the same time moving massive beasts into them.

He rebuilt, and destroyed, a fortress on Coruscant using only his TK abilities.

He's used the force to teleport object.
He's used the force to create a perfect replica of a ship.
He's managed to overcome the Ysalmiri, who halt the ability to use the force in a radius around them, similar to Natheema.
He's walked on lava, became a force ghost, Luke made himself an immovable object so that not even the greatest Black Hole in the galaxy could move him. Was described as "A maelstrom of luminous Force energy, against which there was no shelter"

I shouldn't need to go on.

Force powers range in potency from hurting a single individual to devastating entire planets. You don't compare Force powers in conventional way.

Emperor isn't supposed to be superior to combined might of an entire Dark Council in strength factor, his ability to manipulate the Force in superior ways is going to be an advantage for him, his talents in short.

Analogy: If Darth Sidious unleashes Force Storm (Wormhole) power on the opponents, the numbers and strength of the opponents would become irrelevant. This power can destroy entire fleets and level whole cities, possibly worse. So it doesn't matters if 100 Luke(s) are caught in this power, they will perish.

I know what Luke Skywalker is capable of, he is among the most well-known characters of the mythos. However, he have limits and isn't infallible. He struggled against lone powerful opponents in various battles, in-fact, a powerful Dark Jedi utterly outgunned him in a battle.

Members of Dark Council are highly talented Sith Lords, they can perform impressive actions too. Two Dark Council members once fought each other inside a building, the battle resulted in destruction of this building. Greatest of the Dark Council members such as Darth Marr routed entire armies of the Republic in battlefield with his powers and combat prowess, his actions became stuff of legends.

Do not mistakenly assume that Dark Council is group of mooks and jokes. No one can handle an entire Dark Council in single combat with conventional methods.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Don't ever lecture me about basic principles of how the Force works.

Force powers range in potency from hurting a single individual to devastating entire planets. You don't compare Force powers in conventional way.

Emperor isn't supposed to be superior to combined might of an entire Dark Council, he ability to manipulate the Force in superior ways is going to be an advantage for him.

For example: If Darth Sidious unleashes Force Storm (Wormhole) power on the opponents, the numbers and strength of opponents would become irrelevant. This power can destroy entire fleets and level whole cities, possibly worse. So it doesn't matters if 100 Luke(s) are caught in this power, they will perish.

I know what Luke Skywalker is capable of, he is among the most well-known characters of the mythos. However, he have limits and isn't infallible. He struggled against lone powerful opponents in various battles, in-fact, a powerful Dark Jedi utterly outgunned him in a battle.

Members of Dark Council are highly talented Sith Lords, they can perform impressive actions too. Two Dark Council members once fought each other inside a building, the battle resulted in destruction of this building. Greatest of the Dark Council members such as Darth Marr routed entire armies of the Republic in battlefield with his powers and combat prowess, his actions became stuff of legends.

Do not mistakenly assume that Dark Council is group of mooks and jokes. No one can handle an entire Dark Council in single combat with conventional methods.

There's no point trying to teach you anything at all that would dare assert that TOR Characters aren't super amazeballs.

However, I'd say that Luke did survive a Force Storm... So GG.

Originally posted by Selenial
There's no point trying to teach you anything at all that would dare assert that TOR Characters aren't super amazeballs.

However, I'd say that Luke did survive a Force Storm... So GG.

I am being realistic about these matters. Some talents of dark side are simply too destructive to cope with. Emperor have command of such talents.

This is not about TOR era characters being super amazeballs, this is about ground realities of the lore.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Luke Skywalker never tanked Force Storm (Wormhole). He fled from the scene before the power destroyed the entire fleet under command of the Darth Sidious.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Luke Skywalker never tanked Force Storm (Wormhole). He fled from the scene before the power destroyed the entire fleet under command of the Darth Sidious.

I am being realistic about these matters. Some talents of dark side are simply too destructive to cope with. Emperor have command of such talents.

Uhh, no. He created a Wall of Light and the force storm Backfired, devouring Palpatine.

Obviously R2 was the one tanking.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

Force Storm (Wormhole) power can be used for both constructive and destructive purposes. Constructive use is that it can be used to teleport someone from one part of the galaxy to other, depending upon the trajectory of the power. Darth Sidious summoned Luke Skywalker to Byss with use of this power.

However, if used destructively, then it is not possible to defend against this power using conventional defensive methods. It tears the very fabric of space apart, can destroy everything in its path. The only method to survive is to have immortality.

Again.

Wall of Light.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor changed the climatic conditions on planetary scale, Beni. It is a feat of enormous scale and scope.

Power hungry, the Emperor spent great energy discovering and perfecting esoteric rites of darkness – rituals that wrecked the atmosphere of Dromund Kaas, transforming the ionosphere into a swirling electric storm.

Source: http://www.swtor.com/holonet/planets/dromund-kaas

Climatic conditions have significant impact on conditions of flora and fauna in real life. Same would have happened in Dromund Kaas as well, these minute details are not to be spoon-fed to the masses. Common sense is required to understand these matters.

Dromund Kaas have diameter of 22,450 kms.

So again the Sith Emperor did not corrupt the entire planet, lets stop, as you seem to have a tendency to do, overblowing the Sith Emperor's powers or otherwise ascribe him powers that he doesn't really have (see sending lightning across an entire planet) to put him on level with those who simply outclass him.

And yes I am aware you are attempting to compare this to the Ones affecting the environment with they mere presence or otherwise at will.

It does not compare, at all.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Beni, that book reveals that it was theorized by Jedi that The Ones or Father, in particular, ensured balance at cosmic scale. Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious tested this theory by performing a ritual to shift the balance in favor of the dark side, they succeeded and ancient theory turned out be false by virtue of this development.

I am not posting lies and fabricating information, Beni. I don't have this habit, I study official data and simply interpret them in my debates.

I honestly don't care who is the most powerful Force-user ever in the mythos. The ground realities of this mythos change continuously, I am simply pointing out the fact that Emperor Vitiate have comparable hype to that of The Ones, at-least in Legends continuity. No fabrication here. I don't know what data I am ignoring, passing off data as untrue is pretty close to ignoring it however.

It is not OK to deliberately ignore some data just because it doesn't fits your perception of Star Wars.

Hence the creation of the Chosen One, a being more powerful than the Father. Is this an indication that the combined strength of Sidious and Plagueis could overwhelm the Father? Perhaps. But we musn't forget that they were aided by the dark side itself. So its more like Sidious + Plagueis + the Son.

You need to understand that the Ones are the fulcrum for balance in the Force, and this is what TCW was trying to display. This is a "revelation" you are trying to invalidate.

And don't lie, you've probably got money on this or something.

P.S. Passing off information as lies without valid basis is tantamount to ignoring it, so don't lecture me on that.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
lets stop, as you seem to have a tendency to do, overblowing the Sith Emperor's powers or otherwise ascribe him powers that he doesn't really have (see sending lightning across an entire planet) to put him on level with those who simply outclass him.

And yes I am aware you are attempting to compare this to the Ones affecting the environment with they mere presence or otherwise at will.

It does not compare, at all.

Originally posted by Selenial
Uhh, no. He created a Wall of Light and the force storm Backfired, devouring Palpatine.

Luke and Leia used Force Harmony to disrupt's Sidious control over the Force Storm (Wormhole) power that he summoned to destroy everything. A power of this magnitude takes time to materialize, the Jedi then fled from the flagship of Darth Sidious before the power would destroy them.

I thought this was common knowledge.

Look:

There is no conventional method to defend against this power.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I thought this was common knowledge.

I thought the fact that any severing of the Force is done using a Wall of Light.

The Force Harmony they used pooled their energies together and summoned a Wall of Light to sever him from the force.

In face, it's literally described as "A wave of Light Side energy"

Vitiate did corrupt Dromund Kaas in ways other than just the storms. Akure, a massive sithspawn was also birthed from his influence on the planet.