1/2. Concerning the comics what you provided is inadequate, it is not only supposition, but it is from an inferior source. It is inadequate proof and therefore I am not obliged to provide a counter argument.
The comic clearly demonstrates the time lapse between events...time lapses that support my defense. So you are disregarding the comic because it does not suit your argument's purposes? Just stop right there. So, I accept your concession here. Let us keep track of how many times you gave up. I am rather annoyed though, because I thought I was getting educated.
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3. If you want to assume that then fine, but unfortunately that supposition is no more valid than mine. But the fact is Yoda did have time to gather power in that situation, whether you believe he did or not, so it cannot be used as a definitive example of a situation in which Yoda did not have time to gather he power and still instantly achieved powerful feats. Because in this situation he did, so my point still stands.
Your point does not stand because you cannot prove he gathered strength. The point of you bringing this up was evidence he requires time, yet you have yet to show anything that proves such. Remember now, you are the one who is debating against *me*, not the other way around. I merely have to defend my argument, you need to beat it. So far, you have failed to even scratch it. Look at another TK feat from Yoda in the same TV series, him and Mace release a telekinetic attack at the
same time. It didn't require any time for Yoda to charge up like you continue to ridiculously suggest.
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Originally posted by Beniboybling (Two posts ago)
4. In regards to the AoTC scene, I fail to see how you can argue that he didn't struggle. It is blatantly self evident. Yoda grunts with exertion and his hands tremble. Please, explain to me how this is not an indication of struggling. You failed to do so the first time, here is your second chance. How does this in anyway convey ease, and how is it in anyway incompatible with the movie? Look at the scene, Yoda's hands wave, the boulders drop to the sides. But the physical exertion and struggling is still there. You are reading between the lines here, and assuming that the brevity and off-hand nature of the sentence combined, suggests ease. That is your interpretation, I on the other hand, am dealing with the facts.
Originally posted by Beniboybling (Last post)
Anyway, allow me to explain. It is true that Yoda deflected Dooku's attacks easily, because it was well within his power the guy can lift entire armies, lifting some boulders would have required a fraction of his Force energy. But that doesn't change the fact he struggle to gather these energies, as he always does in a combat situation. The fact that Yoda is old does not change the fact that he is more than capable of handling himself in battle.
Now, I don't have any issue if someone brings up new evidence on a previously conceded point in a debate.
But don't you ****ing dare try to change your *entire* argument around. Do I really have to reference to our arguments here?
Your argument: Yoda had difficulty moving the boulders and and with exertion.
My defense: "Yoda easily deflected such assaults, and even repulsed Dooku's Force Lightning attacks."
Your response: You don't understand, Yoda performed the feat easy.
Now, as you can see, you have lost on this point as well. Hell, you are now reaching the point of agreeing with me. I accept your concession here also. 👆
5. Well, as much as I respect Silver2467, I disagree with you both. And what you have highlighted proves nothing. Look at the scene, or rather listen to it. Here that? That is the sound of "hammers, battering rams, catapult stones crashing and crushing against each other in a rolling thunder-roar that echoed the Senate's cheers for the galaxy's new Emperor."It is the sound of the pods Sidious is launching, colliding with those below as Yoda tries to evade them. It makes no sense in regards to the plot and the environment that Yoda would be throwing pods back. The plot because it was showing Sidious' overdramatised superiority and power, and the environment because Yoda lacked the high ground to lift and hurl pods.
There is a large difference from two objects crashing against each other at full force and an object crashing into a stationary object. Take note how the text says they crashed and crushed "against each other". By definition, this indicates an opposite relationship or an action (throwing the pods against one another) that is reciprocal (they both did it equally) among the members of the set (Darth Sidious and Yoda). This definition fits my argument *exactly*, not yours.
6. No, actually, I was specifically very clear in what I said to point out that I am not contradicting myself. Official sources state that the novel is canon unless it conflicts with events in the movie, in which case the movie always takes superiority. This quote I posted aligns with the movie just fine, unless you have a reason that it doesn't?Anyway, the fact that he became more settled indicates that it got easier for him to deflect it as time went on, whereas you argued the opposite. The fact that Yoda can still seen to be struggling at the end of the lightning burst only indicates he needs even more time that that to become completely settled - time one should note he had against Sidious.
But that still doesn't change the fact that he in the end deflected it easily. As stated by a canonical source that interestingly you choose to ignore.
You do understand that the word "settled" has numerous meanings and not one of them means "easily?"
"...become even more settled in his defensive posture."
―Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
I would say based off context, it would rather be referring "to become fixed, resolved, or established". Though, hopefully you can agree having a definition war is a waist of our time.
7. Facial features is just one part of the puzzle. The other more important feature is the distance of the lightining, at first it starts up right in Yoda's face to the point where he is physically recoiling from it, whereas Sidious is moving forward. This is a clear indicator that Yoda's tutanimis is failing as the kinetic force is taking its toll.After that Yoda gets his second wind and begins pushing the energy back towards Sidious, and no longer has to recoil. Instead it is Sidious recoiling and as it zoom's out we can see Yoda has concentrated the energy almost completely, reinforced by the fact it no longer has kinetic Force.
And that is exactly what happens against Dooku, his hand goes back, and then it goes forward again.
The Dooku and Palpatine encounters are very different. They can't really be compared to one another. The Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Scholastic novel by Patricia C. Wrede explains the difference to us.
Yoda performs two separate Force powers against Dooku's lightning. Firstly, he uses Tutaminis to absorb the lightning, and then Force Deflection to redirect it back at Yoda. I didn't know I had to explain this.
Force Absorption (Tutaminis):
"He drew the bolts of lightning into his waiting grasp, channeling them away from their intended targets and absorbing their power."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan
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Force Deflection:
"Nyriss's eyes went wide as Revan unleashed the power of her own attack against her."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan
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Yoda's only successful absorb/deflect against lightning was against Dooku, hence why the topic focused on that. You can see looking at the .gif that Yoda struggled mainly at the Force Deflection part. By this point, Yoda already has absorbed Dooku's lightning's energy and, according to you, had time to gather his power. Despite this, his physical features (which you seem to be obsessed with) show more strain at the end then any point at the beginning (which according to you should be his weakest point).
Now, you can't compare these two performances to Yoda and Darth Sidious' lightning. Why? Yoda ultimately failed to deflect it back at Darth Sidious. Yoda was trying to gather the lightning's energy into an orb to fire back at Sidious, but it overloaded and exploded, throwing the combatants apart. This is explained in the Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Scholastic novel by Patricia C. Wrede:
"Yoda caught it. The blue energy built into a glowing ball in his hand, ready to throw back at the Sith Lord the moment the attack stopped. But Palpatine didn't stop; the Force lightning came in a steady crackle, building more and more, until neither of them could hold it any longer, and the blast knocked them both out of the pod."
―Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith; Scholastic Book
Now, not only was Yoda doing better with Tutaminis at the start, as explained in the above quote (He was able to catch the lightning at the start, but as time passed, he grew weaker and weaker), but his "raw power" was ultimately unable to overcome Palaptne's lightning, which is weaker then the Sith Emperor's. 🙂