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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yes, it is.
Why, because she didn't knock out Meetra with a single bolt of lightning? That's all you're basing that on? Hilarious. Have you for a moment considered that Meetra's force defenses might surpass those of the people you're bringing up? Of course not, all of them are fully capable of solo'ing an entire temple of Sith and defeating two Sith Lords multiple times each, what am I thinking.
Anyway, Nyriss only hit her with a single bolt of lightning. You can't compare that to Dooku's sustained attacks on people.
Nyriss' lightning has provably superior potency than Dooku's does. She was capable of turning armored guards into charred and smoking husks with it, which is a level of power beyond what Dooku's impotent attacks are capable of. No-one's even been a little burnt by his attacks. I can show you examples of him not even burning non-force sensitives with his lightning. So I don't know why we're still talking about this really, its basically already a proven fact.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
She had jedi training, and was self trained for years before becoming Dooku's apprentices. Her talent was enough to impress Dooku, which is why he took her in as his apprentice.
I'm aware, my point was that this was an extremely early version of Ventress well before she'd reached her stride. Knocking her out with a sustained blast of lightning (Nyriss only hit Meetra with a single bolt 😬) for nearly 10 seconds is hardly that impressive. Ventress wasn't even shown to have attempted to block the attack, while Meetra was able to lessen the effects by throwing up a Force shield.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
He's also sent Anakin flying meters, and onto his ass. Anakin >> Meetra.
Lmao. AotC Anakin, sure. 🙄
If you're referring to when Anakin was choking him, however, Dooku uses TK to throw Anakin back. He hits him with lightning inside Anakin's guard and throws him backwards while Anakin is writhing in pain.
Needless to say, it was again a sustained burst in both cases.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No, Dooku's standard lightning is just that good. Apparently better than Nyriss's nexus-enhanced standard lighting.
Only if we assume that Bulq has superior Force defenses than Meetra does. And that he actually managed to throw up some defenses instead of Dooku catching him off-guard. I see no reason to do either.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
None of them were untrained.
They were untrained in the Force. They had no way of defending themselves from his lightning or lessening the effects of it. Defeating a Force sensitive is only impressive if they have some way to actively engaging their strength against yours through force defenses. Otherwise you're not really overpowering them, are you?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Come to think of it, Dooku's standard lightning is better than Vitiate's. Vitiate has to use prolong uses of FS + an amped attack to take out anyone. Other than that, his standard lightning was easily handled by the blades of Revan and HoT while on a nexus. Yet you place his lightning higher than Palpatine's.😆
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No, I can't. IDK if Revan had downed them with a force attack and then brought those meteors down on them. IDK how it happened. All I know is Revan brought down some meteors because it is a scripted event that occurs within game mechanic material, which is known for exaggerating force usage more so than the mini CW, which is a source you disregard because of that very reason.
Wouldn't it be just as impressive if Revan was able to incapacitate Sith as powerful as Nox and the Wrath for long enough to perform the feat without interference as it would be if he performed the feat while dealing with their interference? Either way it's great.
It's a scripted event. It's no more a mere gameplay mechanic than Ganon shooting lightning balls or whatever. It's an event that occurs as part of the plot of the fight. Gameplay mechanics are non-diagetic. Theres a difference.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
In this case, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Dooku's TK feats do require tremendous raw power.You disagreeing with it, is no different than me disagreeing that water is liquid and turns to ice when frozen.
It's a matter of opinion what one chooses to label as 'tremendous power'.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
That's nice. Revan has a lot of raw power. Good for him. Never said he didn't.
I know. The issue is that you think Dooku has as much or more power than him. He doesn't.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Prove it.
It's simple physics, as shown in the link I provided earlier in the thread. The amount of energy needed to produce the amount of force on a number of massive objects like Revan did is staggering.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yeah, I don't either considering they have no way of making such calculations. We have no idea how much those meteors weigh or how solid they are. They cause no damage to the surface, and turned to dirt upon impact with the ground. Although, like you said, it may be because it happens within game mechanic material. Sorry, though, but you can't only accept certain parts of game mechanics that favor you argument, but disregard others based on the fact that it happens within the game's mechanics. Either you accept what we see in the game's mechanics, or you don't.
I believe they usually use the average density of certain kinds of rock to produce a rough estimate after calculating the size of the object through comparison to the figures or objects around it. Or perhaps they used the common density of meteorites. Either way, they give low-ball figures as well, by assuming everything is as low as it's possible to be. The energy is still considerable. As to the weight of the meteors, I give you a comparison later.
Unlike you, I actually know what I'm talking about when it comes to gameplay mechanics. Probably from having extensively argued about such matters in the Video Game forums. Attacks causing no damage to the environment is just a gameplay mechanic. Obviously, the creators of TOR simply cannot code destructible environments into the game. And anyway, this is a super-advanced Rakatan fortress. The platform could just be made of an incredibly strong metal. It's not proof of anything. And again, it's a gameplay mechanic that they turn to "dirt" upon impact. The developers can't put debris into the game. It would severely **** up performance and be too expensive to do. These are the kinds of things you just have to accept as being not representative of reality due to limitations in the game. The attack itself, and the size of the meteors, isn't anything like either of those things.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
We know very little about the feat other than he brought down some meteors. Ventress feat of ripping down large chunks from a cave ceiling is just as impressive, yet Dooku has consistently dominated her with TK. Basically, Dooku can dominate a Revan level Telekinetic with his TK (yes, I'm going there).
I think I just pissed my panties.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Supports with enough force to hold possibly well over a ton of weight, considering it's size. Ripping through metal supports is far greater than bringing down some meteors of unknown quantity and quality. Also lifting a dozen of huge obelisks far above his head simultaneously, and holding them there for several seconds would require tremendous raw power and a high level of refinement. Given that these feats were performed very easily by Dooku, would suggest that they aren't even near his limit.Dooku's TK >>> Revan's. Fact.
O RLY?
Isn't it just as true that we don't know the quality of the metal Dooku broke? For all we know it could have been weakened considerably by rust or something, barely able to support its own weight. Or it could be a light-weight alloy that required little force to break. So maybe you shouldn't try throwing around those stones in that glass house, eh?
Also, lmao "well over a ton"? You are aware that even one of those meteors would weigh dozens, perhaps hundreds of tons? Don't believe me? Well look:
This is the Hoba Meteorite found near Grootfontein. It is considerably smaller than the meteors Revan was raining down on the Strike Team. It's estimated at 70 tons. 🙂
Even not counting that, if I were feeling merciful, the meteors are vastly larger than the obalisks that Dooku lifted, based off of a comparison between their size compared to Revan against the obalisks compared to Dooku. And there were more of them. And throwing an object requires much more force than is needed to simply lift it. Revan's feat utterly eclipses Dooku's.
Revan >> Dooku in TK. Suck science neeerd.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Dooku seems to hold the advantage in TK, and has actually overpowered other powerful force users with TK alone, whereas don't recall Revan ever casually overpowering other powerful force users with his.
Revan throws around the Strike Team in certain scripted events. I don't believe it needs to be said, but Nox and the Wrath are both considerably powerful.
