Revan and Scourge vs Dooku and Maul

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I missed this.

Originally posted by TobaccoRoad
"Dooku's TK >>> Revan's. Fact."
Please not be making the accusations of opinion and representing your as factual thank you.

And you are?

I may or may not agree with it, but I made a case and supported it, which has yet to be debunked. If you're capable of providing a counter argument, then do so.

"and supported it"
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Originally posted by TobaccoRoad
"Dooku's TK >>> Revan's. Fact."
Please not be making the accusations of opinion and representing your as factual thank you.

Revan's best feat with TK was blowing open a door made of the same metal Bane ripped off with his bare hands, lol. Dooku has lifted multiple obelisks that weighed tons each, destroyed a balcony and bridge, and ragdolled multiple force users. Revans TK sucks

Awe SIDIOUS, you made a friend.

Revan is too strong

Hopefully I'm saving Neph the trouble:

Yes, it is.
She had jedi training, and was self trained for years before becoming Dooku's apprentices. Her talent was enough to impress Dooku, which is why he took her in as his apprentice.
He's also sent Anakin flying meters, and onto his ass. Anakin >> Meetra.
No, Dooku's standard lightning is just that good. Apparently better than Nyriss's nexus-enhanced standard lighting.
None of them were untrained.

They aren't even remotely close. Nyriss' lightning is rather comparable to Sidious', not Dooku's. Knocking Bulq unconscious is no where close to being able to turn both Meetra Surik and Scourge to ash.
Hell, knocking Bulq unconscious is no where close to being able to completely rip through a powerful Force barrier, and then going on to turn one of the most powerful Sith of the era to ash.
You are embarrassing yourself suggesting otherwise. The debate you are having already occurred between myself/Neph and Lord Stark on another topic. Concede now if you know what's best for you.
Also, I feel you know nothing about Darth Nyriss. Checkout her respect thread when you have the chance: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-nyriss-respect-thread/95301/

Come to think of it, Dooku's standard lightning is better than Vitiate's. Vitiate has to use prolong uses of FS + an amped attack to take out anyone. Other than that, his standard lightning was easily handled by the blades of Revan and HoT while on a nexus. Yet you place his lightning higher than Palpatine's. laughing

🤣 His lightning is "infinitely" more powerful then Nyriss'. 😂

No, I can't. IDK if Revan had downed them with a force attack and then brought those meteors down on them. IDK how it happened. All I know is Revan brought down some meteors because it is a scripted event that occurs within game mechanic material, which is known for exaggerating force usage more so than the mini CW, which is a source you disregard because of that very reason.

When I read "game mechanics", I think of the abilities your character can display in battle, such as the attack "Thrash". This is not even a attack any character can do, even if they wanted too. It is a part of the actual level itself, rather then being attached to a specific character like other game mechanics are. That is why even if some do not take scripted material as canon, this feat still should be.

In this case, it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact. Dooku's TK feats do require tremendous raw power.

Revan performed feats that required more raw power then Dooku has. For his full list of feats, checkout my Revan Respect Thread located in the description.
His meteor and absorption feats are excellent examples, but his "Force in Balance" attack against Vitiate, being able to apparently collapse a building, and ripping a large stone-arch way from the ceiling are also great examples.
Prove it.

Challenge Completed.

Ventress feat of ripping down large chunks from a cave ceiling is just as impressive, yet Dooku has consistently dominated her with TK. Basically, Dooku can dominate a Revan level Telekinetic with his TK (yes, I'm going there).

8 people just died trying to comprehend the stupidity in this.
How on earth is ripping chunks of a cave better then pouring down meteors? One meteor alone is much larger then Revan itself.
If you gathered everything Ventress ripped, and combined it together, I seriously doubt it would equate to the mass of just one meteor.
They honestly aren't even remotely the same, or can even be considered in the same sentence together.
Also note you are the only member on this forum who thinks Dooku can ragdoll Revan, that should confirm to you that your being ****ing stupid.
Ultimately, Revan is just superior in telekinesis. His feats on Dromaund Kaas and the Foundry are superior to what Dooku has showcased.

Supports with enough force to hold possibly well over a ton of weight, considering it's size.

That's great? One asteroid alone is half of that. The combined effect of 30ish asteroids far surpasses Dooku's feat.
This is not even yet mentioning that a building is *far* beyond just a ton in weight, yet Revan is confirmed to be able to collapse one.

Ripping through metal supports is far greater than bringing down some meteors of unknown quantity and quality.

Erm...the hell? They aren't really even close.
We know how big the meteors are, we saw them via cutscene.
Just a a few alone should be much larger then the metal supports.

Also lifting a dozen of huge obelisks far above his head simultaneously

How is this better then what Revan has done?
And how does anything suggest Revan cannot replicate this?
Revan has done stuff far more impressive then this. 😬

Given that these feats were performed very easily by Dooku, would suggest that they aren't even near his limit.

Similar to like Revan instantly bringing down huge archways and hurling a large sarcophagus lid suggests that this is no where near Revan's limits?
Similarly, being able to do the asteroid feat after 300 years of Vitiate draining him, while also in the middle of combat, also shows that this is not Revan's limitations either?

Dooku's TK >>> Revan's. Fact.

No one on this forum agrees with you.

PS: I'm not even sure the feat you are referring to with Dooku and the ship is canon. Care to provide proof that it is? Seemingly, Cody and Rex die in it, which doesn't happen in Star Wars lore. The game you are referring to, Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Republic Heroes, has numerous canonical inconsistencies, such as Obi-Wan Kenobi being able to defeat Dooku via telekinesis in a battle that is against T-Canon. 😉 If you count Dooku's ship feat, then I guess Kenobi>Dooku in TK.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

If you count Dooku's ship feat, then I guess Kenobi>Dooku in TK.

Good point. 👆

watch?v=7h_wnWlk518

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
watch?v=7h_wnWlk518

I've already addressed this. N-canon.

I'm aware.
Point is, so is Dooku's ship feat then.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm aware.
Point is, so is Dooku's ship feat then.

No it isn't. Dooku's ship feat does not contradict a T-canon source.

So now we are picking and choosing what parts of games are canon and not? 😬
And it totally does, Cody and Rex die in it, lol.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So now we are picking and choosing what parts of games are canon and not? 😬
And it totally does, Cody and Rex die in it, lol.

YouTube video

No they don't. And yes we are. Its how these things work. Scenes that contradict higher sources are n-canon.

It's not just a scene, but rather one of the whole entire plots of the game. 😬
If you consider that much canon, then the rest must be as well.
And yes they do die, they fall into what looks like some sort of lava pit.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's not just a scene, but rather one of the whole entire plots of the game. 😬
If you consider that much canon, then the rest must be as well.
And yes they do die, they fall into what looks like some sort of lava pit.

In that mission they live bro. The Twilight clearly saves Kenobi and Windu. That mission is a canon event. The game also has Anakin lol kicking Dooku into the Sarlacc Pit on Tatooine and him dying which is also you guessed it n-canon.

Proof they lived?
Also, if majority of the game is non-canon, considering this now canon is utter bull.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Proof they lived?
Also, if majority of the game is non-canon, considering this now canon is utter bull.

If you would stop being so damned pig headed and watch the video you'll see the ship ****ing saves both Windu and Kenobi. Rex is clearly seen. Also Dooku falls into the "lava" and Mace clearly states he's defeated not destroyed. And no. The ROTS game has a lot of N-canon stuff but shit like Anakin killing Jocasta Nu is canon.

Conceded. No need to be an ass about it.
Anakin killing Nu is canon because it has been confirmed by other sources.
Meanwhile, the Battle of Behpour is just as canon as the Hero of Umbara.
No other source mentions the battle at all, and considering the events in the battle, that means something.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
watch?v=7h_wnWlk518

The circumstances surrounding that fight are unknown, other than what we see during game play mechanics, which would be non canon. All we know is Kenobi apparently had the help of clones, which could have distracted Dooku, giving Kenobi the opportunity to use a force push against Dooku, which isn't inconsistent, nor does it suggests Kenobi is Dooku's superior in TK. It just shows Kenobi's force pushes are powerful enough to tag someone like Dooku. Ahsoka has successfully used a force push on Ventress despite being far less powerful. Kenobi didn't directly overpower Dooku with TK. Also, where is your proof that Rex and Cody die in the game?

Regardless, Dooku's other TK feats are far more impressive than Revan's, and he has directly overpowered Ventress, who has comparable TK feats to Revan.

As for your other arguments, I'm not going in circles. I've addressed all of your arguments in the very post you responded to. Apparently you're unable to follow. I'll see what Neph can provide. You're a waste of time. I did get a good laugh at your insults though. (lol)

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Conceded. No need to be an ass about it.

Sorry dude I don't like repeating myself 3 times.


Anakin killing Nu is canon because it has been confirmed by other sources.

Right but it was first shown in the game. There are also parts of the ROTS novel that aren't canon. But that doesn't mean the whole novel is discarded.


Meanwhile, the Battle of Behpour is just as canon as the Hero of Umbara.
No other source mentions the battle at all, and considering the events in the battle, that means something.

Yes but the HoU is so ridiculous that I don't even think he has a wookiepedia page anymore.