Captain America: Civil War

In WS Cap had to get to grips with a changing world where everything seemed permitted to fights threats (a nice and current theme). His own views on world peace and justice were very different as they dated back to the 40s. So he was somehow forced to find a way to stand for his own principles, his friend Bucky and the whole enchilada of Shield, whom he worked for and agreed with in principle in fighting major threat. Just not their means. Much more complex stuff going there.

Now it's just about Bucky (again, same thing as in WS) and this weird treaty. And... he does what he always does.

And them being split up in teams... here's the thing:

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despite the fact that there is something of a split (it seems even Stark has his doubts about the treaty now, so they're being closer again), most of them are locked up and they still like and respect each other. Steve's letter at the end proves that. So... here it is again: they may be physically split up, but character wise they are still very close. Which is my point: there's not much of a real issue. Or a real split. They are still the same Avengers. And I'm sure the next big movie with a lot op superheroes is just about them getting together again. Which makes this "split" quite obsolete as well.

Didn't it bother you guys

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how weird that whole plot line was about that security video of Tony's dad being killed by the WS, was somehow obtained by Russians and stored in a basement of a Siberian hidden base full off Winter Soldiers?? I though this was the oddest thing ever... Talk about a contrived, forced and totally mysterious plot point... well , not a plot point really... just weird and out of place.

And... how the heck did Cap know about that video???? Or that Bucky killed Tony's dad??? When and how did he find out??? I thought this whole video bit and Bucky killing Tons dad as a kind of (really bad) McGuffin is the weakest thing of CW.

Of course it bothered me... not to mention the villain could have easily doctored that

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That base was a Hydra base, and Hydra were the one's that created the Winter Soldiers and sent Bucky to steal the super soldier serum from Stark in the first place.

Haven't seen it, and am mostly avoiding this thread due to spoilers....all I know is this movie is poised to have a MONSTER weekend.

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Originally posted by MF DELPH

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That base was a Hydra base, and Hydra were the one's that created the Winter Soldiers and sent Bucky to steal the super soldier serum from Stark in the first place.

But why would they even keep such a video? 😆
That's right they wouldn't

Actually,

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it was shown in Winter Soldier and Agents of Shield [with the Deathloks] that Hydra implants surveillance equipment into their cybernetically enhanced operatives. And it would make sense for Hydra to keep archives of their operations. The issue was that their archives were compromised, not that they exist.

Originally posted by queeq

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And... how the heck did Cap know about that video???? Or that Bucky killed Tony's dad??? When and how did he find out??? I thought this whole video bit and Bucky killing Tons dad as a kind of (really bad) McGuffin is the weakest thing of CW.

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Cap said to Tony "I didn't know it was Bucky," but he knew Tony's parents were killed by Hydra. He found that out from the computerised Arnim Zola in Winter Soldier.

Ah right, good point.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Actually,

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it was shown in Winter Soldier and Agents of Shield [with the Deathloks] that Hydra implants surveillance equipment into their cybernetically enhanced operatives. And it would make sense for Hydra to keep archives of their operations. The issue was that their archives were compromised, not that they exist.

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But this was not a video from an implant. It looked like it's from a casual security video camera somewhere in the USA. We see Bucky destroy it.

And I don't have an issue with compromised archives... In this story they used it to lure Cap, Bucky and Stark all the way to a remote Siberian Hydra base filled with Winter soldiers. Not to release the winter soldier. Oh no.... the sole purpose of that entire endeavour was to show Stark a.... video... So that they would fight. Which they were doing already.... That is some weird plot point, dude. Some bizarre use of the Hydra base and the Winter Soldier story, which turned out to be completely irrelevant.

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But wasn't the over-arching plot, which included the video as it's final ploy, that Zemo, who in this universe isn't a Hydra operative, was using Bucky/Winter Soldier's history as a Hydra Assassin to divide the team by framing him for a terrorist act and putting a permanent wedge between Steve and Tony via the video, though it ultimately failed, because Zemo hates the Avengers for their roles in the deaths of his family in Sokovia? It would seem that Zemo was trying to take advantage of the already fractured team post AoU and completely break them, which actually makes sense since his vendetta was against the entire team and Tony and Steve are the leaders.

Are you contending that it doesn't make sense for Tony to react the way he did finding out Bucky killed his parents, or are you contending that the Sokovia Accords in of themselves were enough to divide the team and Zemo making it personal between the two heads of the team by showing Tony the video was superfluous?

Bruh Hydra has surveillance in their operatives eyes to watch and control them... lifting that video was pointless.

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Oh yes!! Called this movie. The Russos delivered. The emotion of that end battle with Iron Man was stupendous. Witty dialogue and LOVIN my Winter Soldier.

Possibly the best superhero movie of all time.

Just got back from this.
Great movie. Still processing everything.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Possibly the best superhero movie of all time.

👆

Just came back from seeing it. Got the same nergasm feeling I got watching Avengers in 2012. If this isn't the best Marvel film, its in the top 2-3 as I think it over. One of the best of the genre, period.

Memo to DC Entertainment and Warner Bros:

THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT RIGHT!!!

BUT YOU'LL NEVER GET IT RIGHT IF YOU LET ZACK SNYDER RUN THE SHOW.

Originally posted by roughrider
Got the same nergasm feeling I got watching Avengers in 2012. If this isn't the best Marvel film, its in the top 2-3 as I think it over. One of the best of the genre, period.

Yep.

Great movie.

Black Panther was badass.

Cool fight scenes.

Originally posted by queeq
Didn't it bother you guys

Spoiler:
how weird that whole plot line was about that security video of Tony's dad being killed by the WS, was somehow obtained by Russians and stored in a basement of a Siberian hidden base full off Winter Soldiers?? I though this was the oddest thing ever... Talk about a contrived, forced and totally mysterious plot point... well , not a plot point really... just weird and out of place.

And... how the heck did Cap know about that video???? Or that Bucky killed Tony's dad??? When and how did he find out??? I thought this whole video bit and Bucky killing Tons dad as a kind of (really bad) McGuffin is the weakest thing of CW.

Nope.

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Hydra would obviously confiscate the only video of their assassinations.