Honestly I think Toby was serviceable as Spiderman/Peter. Which is what we needed at the time. Comic book movies were still taking off and we just needed them to not be too childish. Not trying to knock the Tobey movies I enjoyed them and overall I would say the first two were better than ASM 1 and 2. I'm just commenting on the Spidermans themselves.
I truly believe Andrew Garfield was a closer comic book peter and especially a closer Spiderman. The fight with the mugger with the knife is the closest thing I've seen to Spidey on screen ever.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well that would be silly. Tobey is too old to be Spider-Man now, and the TASM series was on a massive downward slope (basically it had its chance and failed).Had to be rebooted for the MCU. But hopefully now this is it, and there won't be another reboot for a long long time, and even then it will be one that switches things around like a Miles Morales replacing Peter Parker.
I don't disagree. But even to this day we still have Raimi/Maguire fanatics demanding that Tobey be brought back even though he's too old at this point and think that nobody other than Raimi should ever direct a Spider-man film.
The problem is that there are few Spider-man fans who actually know anything outside of the movies they like or stuff that they grew up with. That's why we have a whole generation of people who believe the Garfield version is the definitive rendition of the character and nothing else matters.
Originally posted by KCJ506
But even to this day we still have Raimi/Maguire fanatics demanding that Tobey be brought back even though he's too old at this point and think that nobody other than Raimi should ever direct a Spider-man film.
Did they see Spider-Man 3?
Ramai had his day, but clearly lost his mojo at the end.
I don't think all the blame for Spider-man 3 should go to Raimi though. If Sony hadn't butted in and let him go with his original plan with having Vulture in the movie as a former cellmate of Sandman's instead of having him put Venom in the film in order to get symbiote fanatics in theaters, we probably would have gotten a much better movie.
Originally posted by KCJ506
I don't think all the blame for Spider-man 3 should go to Raimi though. If Sony hadn't butted in and let him go with his original plan with having Vulture in the movie as a former cellmate of Sandman's instead of having him put Venom in the film in order to get symbiote fanatics in theaters, we probably would have gotten a much better movie.
Or things would have turned out great if he just made a good Spider-Man vs Venom movie.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Or things would have turned out great if he just made a good Spider-Man vs Venom movie.
Maybe but it was a) not the movie he actually wanted to make and b) a concept that doesn't work coming after Spider-Man 2 where Peter ends the film much happier with life. Venom should logically have been a response to either the Harry Osborne situation or the hypothetical Sandman/Vulture stuff. In order to facilitate Peter being pissed enough to use the Venom outfit in 3 they had to retcon Uncle Ben's death and that sucked. But again, I'm not sure what else they could have done to put Peter in a bad enough spot without making it seem like the world continued to shit on him between 2 and 3. Doing that just messes with the pacing of the story.
Originally posted by ares834
He didn't want to though. He was forced by the studio to do so.
Yeah even before then, he has stated that he wasn't too familiar with Venom and had grew up on classic Spidey villains. And there was really no room for him in the established storyline and so the whole thing had to be restructured at the last minute just to fit him in. The previous movie had set up Harry to be the big bad villain. Not some alien symbiote that hadn't even had any foreshadowing. (except for that line in SM1 about "Eddie's" pictures, which seems to have been ignored).
Instead of going with Raimi's original plan which was setting up Vulture as a criminal previously busted by Spidey and out for revenge and whose storyline would have been actually connected to Sandman, they opted for a much more complex story involving an alien symbiote and a grudge that should've been brewing for at least two movies but was forced into half of one.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulkIf that's true then he can kiss my ass. He has no business directing super hero movies ever again. That's like kicking your dog because you hate your wife. What an *******.
IIRC, Raimi recently admitted in a public interview (aka interview with audience) that he intentionally made the movie suck as protest against studio intervention
Originally posted by ares834
He didn't want to though. He was forced by the studio to do so.
Well it was the studios film. It's like saying they forced him to have Dr. Octopus in Spider-Man 2.
In any case There's no excuse for the garbage Venom plot with the Emo dancing Parker in S3. If he simply knew he couldn't make a good Venom movie because he lacked the passion for it then he should have stepped down as Director.
Originally posted by Darth ThorIn any case There's no excuse for the garbage Venom plot with the Emo dancing Parker in S3. If he simply knew he couldn't make a good Venom movie because he lacked the passion for it then he should have stepped down as Director.
Not sure what any of this has to do with Cap BTW.
^ The trilogy did set it up though. S2 set up Jonah's son being an astronaut whose been to the moon, setting up something similar to the animated series version.
But he ignored his own set up and instead went for a meteor coming out of nowhere landing right next to Peter Parker. Horrible horrible writing.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ The trilogy did set it up though. S2 set up Jonah's son being an astronaut whose been to the moon, setting up something similar to the animated series version.But he ignored his own set up and instead went for a meteor coming out of nowhere landing right next to Peter Parker. Horrible horrible writing.
Idk but I'm not really sure Raimi stepping down would've resulted in a better SM3.