Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate did that feat with thousands of Sith for a ritual.
Meanwhile, Nihilus can consume worlds with a "thought."
How is there even a debate over who's drain is better?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Did you even bother to read what I mentioned?Emperor Vitiate not just consumed entire biota of Nathema, he consumed the Force itself surrounding the planet. This is why the Force does not exists in this planet. The Force exists everywhere otherwise, it is a metaphysical field of energy covering entire universe.
Forget the Wound part, focus on what Force Sever does.
Provide evidence.
Their is no such thing as severity of sever.
She used a Force Sever application to cut off her connection with the Force. This is what I am trying to tell you; Force Sever application cuts a Force-user off the Force, the Force-user then cannot be sensed due to lack of connectivity with the Force.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You really don't know anything, do you?Emperor Vitiate unleashed Force Drain powers himself, other Sith Lords didn't. Emperor Vitiate consumed all biota with his Force Drain powers.
However, Vitiate needed the other Sith Lords, in order to complete the ritual. One of the side effects of the ritual was the desolation of Nathema. If his drain was on Nihilus' level, he wouldn't have needed the other Sith Lords.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You really don't know anything, do you?Emperor Vitiate unleashed Force Drain powers himself, other Sith Lords didn't. Emperor Vitiate consumed all biota with his Force Drain powers.
I know his drain feats, none compare to consuming planets with merely a thought.
Originally posted by Nephthys
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The Sith Emperor, history's most powerful dark side master, performed a ritual of incredible scope to consume the life energy of every being on his homeworld. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Emperor Vitiate's primary agenda was to consume all biota in Nathema. Only he performed this action during the ritual, no one else did.
Therefore;
Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Get your facts straight, Neph
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Being a dick to me won't help your argument, especially when Im one of the only members here who even read what you write.I know his drain feats, none compare to consuming planets with merely a thought.
Read above.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Right before her death?Traya attacked Jedi Masters on Dantooine. After this event, Surik spent time on Telos, then their was an interlude, and then progress towards Malachor V.
Also, nothing suggests that Traya hadn't learned this power earlier.
So yes, like a day before. All of that only took a short amount of time. Thanks for proving my point. 👆
Nothing suggests she had or used it, which you'd need to prove for your point to have any relevance.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
8000 Sith Lords weren't needed to perform Force Drain, Neph. Emperor involved them because he had an agenda, he wanted to consume them to transform himself in to an immortal being. 8000 Sith Lords produced largest nexus of the dark side ever during the ritual with their combined might but they had no intention to die. Emperor telepathically subjugated them and then unleashed Force Drain on mass scale to consume them, and he consumed them so utterly that their physical bodies also vanished. In-fact, Emperor consumed entire biota of the planet in same manner and even the Force itself surrounding the planet, this is how Emperor achieved corporeal immortality.Ritual was just a ruse, a fake promise from Emperor Vitiate to survivors of Great Hyperspace War that it would grant them enormous power, it didn't.
I suggest that you recheck all available information about this ritual.
I know all the available information and I know that it's never suggested Vitiate could have performed the ritual on such a scale without the Sith Lords help. Suggesting he could have is just more of your utterly baseless fanwank speculation.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Hint;After Malak had been defeated, Bastila, like most other citizens of the Republic, had hoped to enjoy many decades of peace. Instead, a group of rogue Jedi had broken away from the Order, plunging the galaxy once more into civil war. Led by a woman named Kreia, the rogue Jedi turned to the dark side teachings uncovered by Malak and Revan. Kreia took the name Darth Traya, and her followers called themselves the Sith after the long-lost species that had invaded the Republic a millennium before.
Talents assigned to characters in KoTOR-CG are not representative of game mechanics. They represent known abilities of each character.
Also, fellow member DarthAn66 offered additional input in this regard so I will not repeat his points.
What exactly was that a hint at? It seems like nonsense to me. Kreia was turned to the dark side? No shit.
No they're not. They're game mechanics.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Traya could say what she knew, she doesn't understands the ground realities of every thing. She isn't a master of Sith sorcery like Emperor Vitiate, Neph.
Well firstly yes she is and secondly she knows a lot more than you do on this topic so her opinion is more reliable than your hilariously biased one. Is it truly so hard for you to admit that someone might be better than Vitiate at something?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Ancients acquired the talent that she and Nihilus demonstrated and even performed it as apparent from actions of Emperor Vitiate. Darth Traya was not even aware of existence of Emperor Vitiate, she just figured that true Sith possibly existed somewhere. Darth Traya was not aware of events of Nathema either. Stop assuming that she have knowledge of everything, she does not, she is fallible.I am not ignoring anything. I have focused on the big picture since the beginning but some people find it too hard to digest that Star Wars mythos have evolved beyond depictions of KoTOR II and perceptions of Mr. Avellone.
Chris Avellone specifically said that the ancients didn't use the technique. I provided the source for you but obviously you just ignored it.
You're flat out ignoring what he specifically said. Your fanboyism has reached a new low in this thread. I suggest you re-assess your view of the big picture.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As far as Emperor Vitiate's actions against HoT are concerned, they are a product of PIS. Emperor Vitiate didn't choke HoT either, doesn't means he cannot. Authors tend to tell a story, Neph. Their will be no story to tell if Emperor Vitiate is depicted making best decisions every time.
Force choke isn't a technique "against which there is no defense". Vitiate didn't use choke against the Hero because they could resist it. They couldn't have resisted the gigadrain. If Vitiate had this technique and didn't use it then all you've proven is that he is functionally retarded.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Only immortal beings could ensure endless supply of energy to Emperor Vitiate, others couldn't. This is not so difficult to understand, Neph.
Yes. This does not mean that they would have been killed by the drain if they weren't immortal though. Which is what you were trying to suggest.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Force choke isn't a technique "against which there is no defense". Vitiate didn't use choke against the Hero because they could resist it. They couldn't have resisted the gigadrain. If Vitiate had this technique and didn't use it then all you've proven is that he is functionally retarded.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So wait, Revan using both light and dark sides is retarded..... but Kreia having a book of infinite knowledge is just neat?Also page? It sounds neat.
Yes, it's retarded, because it's contradicted by literally every source of Canon that's ever dealt with the intricacies of the Force.
And again, he didn't use both, it was Oneness. It's almost the exact same phrase as when Jacen Solo (Was it Jacen? Foggy memory, might have been Anakin) achieved Oneness.
But yeh, it's on the page about Traya.
"The truths of the Cosmos"
"Claim privileged insight into secret realities."
And more, but seeing as you guys all apparently have it, I don't feel I need to type more.
Although I admit, not sure why I said unlimited information. It taught her the methods of honing her powers that ended up in her ridiculously overpowered foresight, so I guess you could argue that it's limitless, but yeh.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He had to draw on the power of thousands of Sith to do an extensive ritual that Nihilus could do in a thought. 😐
I have re-checked all information again to make certain that I am not getting anything wrong about this matter.
8000 Sith Lords agreed to partake in the ritual orchestrated by Emperor Vitiate, they produced the largest nexus of the dark side ever with their combined might. But they had no intention of dying. Emperor Vitiate telepathically subjugated them initially and then devoured them afterwards with his own capabilities.
As pointed out earlier;
Calling on the dark side, Lord Vitiate devoured them. He fed on their power, absorbing it into himself, utterly obliterating all traces of his victims. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
How Emperor Vitiate would call on the dark side to perform a specific action while he is already supposedly doing so in the ritual? Makes no sense.
And the Sith Lords were driven by fear. Many thought the Jedi would soon wipe them all out. They were desperate for anything they could use as a weapon against the servants of the light side. Lord Vitiate played upon these fears, convincing those who answered his call to set aside their suspicions of him and of one another to join in a single glorious cause. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
This was Emperor's agenda. Ritual was just a ruse to gather so many Sith Lords in one place so he would consume them in a single attempt without fighting them.
Emperor basically destroyed the planet, ritual didn't:
Scourge finally understood why Nyriss and the others wanted to take the Emperor down. Destroying your enemies—even destroying a planet— was understandable. But this wasn't simple destruction. It was annihilation; obliteration. The very fabric of the Force had been shredded. Anyone capable of turning an entire planet into a nihilistic abomination had to be completely mad. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Ritual only caused this:
The ritual lasted ten days. Lord Vitiate orchestrated the sorcery and the planet Mediraas was consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Emperor fueled his power by consuming all biota in the planet, this is how he became stronger then ever before and achieved corporeal immortality:
When the ritual ended, Lord Vitiate emerged as the only survivor. The pain, energy, and suffering of every living entity on the planet fueled his power and would prolong his life for centuries. The lifeless planet of Mediraas became a void in the Force and was erased from history. From that moment forward, the world would forever be known as Nathema, birthplace of the one and only Sith Emperor. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)