Captain Marvel VS Kurse

Originally posted by Galan007
your failure to grasp SIMPLE character dialogue astounds. everything i've said is 100% factual.

we weren't explictly told that the radiation had pierced the atmosphere until issue #6. before that all we were given were ambiguous hypotheses. simple logic is simple.

yet I'M the one who can't admit when they're wrong. lol. 🙂

lmao, i didn't report YOU. stop crying. 🙂

You are misinterpreting words and claiming it's a fact. You don't see this. Talk to any English professors about it and see for yourself.

Originally posted by Galan007
your failure to grasp SIMPLE character dialogue astounds. everything i've said is 100% factual.

we weren't explictly told that the radiation had pierced the atmosphere until issue #6. before that all we were given were ambiguous hypotheses. simple logic is simple.

yet I'M the one who can't admit when they're wrong. lol. 🙂

lmao, i didn't report YOU. stop crying. 🙂

Everything presented implies that the knite is already in effect to some degree.

We are told by "Batmans" though, and yes Batman can be wrong, even so it can still mean that it is already in the air ut about to pierce it completely. No contradiction.

I have no probs admitting when I am wrong, in this case the stance of the others makes simply more sense.

Good, that's an improvement 😉. I don't cry and wouldn't even bother as the mods here have more common sense, except bada.

I should report you though.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Everything presented implies that the knite is already in effect to some degree.

We are told by "Batmans" though, and yes Batman can be wrong, even so it can still mean that it is already in the air ut about to pierce it completely. No contradiction.

even if you think the k-nite WAS affecting superman in issue #4, absolutely NO evidence states that it was "weakening" him. that portion of your argument is entirely fictitious.

now, that argument could absolutely be made for superman in issue #6, as that is when the radiation had officially pierced the atmosphere. 🙂

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I should report you though.

Originally posted by Galan007
reported for trollng, actually. would you like me to repost some of his childishness? i'd be more than happy to. 🙂

exactly, carver. the superman faction is simply putting their own twist on the scene, as usual. i'll break things down again(though it'll ultimately be a pointless endeavor, i'm sure)...

issue #1:
a scientist states the radiation "COULD" start affecting earth once it reaches saturn. "COULD" implies uncertainty. "WILL" implies fact:

ie. ambiguous

issue #4:
superman is asked why it took him so long to fly to a specific location, and responds that it was intentional:

ie. ambiguous

batman then hypothesizes that the k-nite radiation may already be affecting him. HOWEVER, he premises that assertion with "I CANNOT BE CERTAIN.":

ie. ambiguous

and say what you will about this scene, but absolutely NOTHING in it states that superman was yet "weakened" by the k-nite, as the superman faction is baselessly trying to claim:

ie. ambiguous

fast-forward to issue #6, and we are explicitly TOLD, with no ambiguity to be had, that the k-nite has "STARTED TO" pierce the atmosphere and affect supes:

ie. unambiguous

ergo, the k-nite didn't officially get through the atmosphere until issue #6. simple. 🙂

Question. The Doctor said 'We' would start feeling the Kryptonite...what did he mean by that? If he means everyone, wouldn't that go against Superman comment to Power Girl since the radiation would have been felt by everyone including her if it was within reach.?

Originally posted by carver9
Question. The Doctor said 'We' would start feeling the Kryptonite...what did he mean by that? If he means everyone, wouldn't that go against Superman comment to Power Girl since the radiation would have been felt by everyone including her if it was within reach.?

Cant believe you really asked this.

Superman will be more prone to feel the Kryptonite radiation as Kryptonite will affect him more severelly than you or me.

Originally posted by carver9
It didn't start affecting him until issue 6. He was perfectly ok before hand then once the Kryptonite was close enough for him to feel the radiation, it affected him like it always does. Was there anything hinted on Superman being weakened during and before facing Captain Marvel. H1, do not reply to me because I don't care what you say.

No, Galan is lying because she was wrong. Only an idiot would take Superman asking if Power Girl "feels" anything, being surprised that she doesn't, and bringing-up her reacting to Kryptonite recently as "ambiguous."

Galan is going entirely on Batman's statement as absolute fact and dismissing all the prior context as "ambiguos" because it suits her case. Previously in the storyline, Superman handled a piece of Kryptonite and wasn't noticeably effected(he was fighting the apparent Pre-CRISIS Superman, who was trying to kill him).

But we're supposed to buy it JUST starting to penetrate Earth's atmosphere has him effected to the point that he's having trouble standing and Toyman asks if he's ok, and says Superman looks like he's going to puke?

REALLY? Nah. And Superman lies to Toyman saying he's fine. Ever think, Carver, that maybe, just maybe, Superman was gritting his teeth and bearing it? The rest of #6 has that with Captain Atom and Luthor.

Originally posted by carver9
Question. The Doctor said 'We' would start feeling the Kryptonite...what did he mean by that? If he means everyone, wouldn't that go against Superman comment to Power Girl since the radiation would have been felt by everyone including her if it was within reach.?

Kryptonite effects almost everybody if exposed to long enough, or in powerful enough doses. Luthor eventually developed cancer wearing the Kryptonite ring. IIRC towards the end of REIGN OF THE SUPERMEN Cyborg fight, Hal and Supergirl(Matrix) would've died from the amount of powdered Kryptonte in the room if it weren't fo Hal Jordan's protective construct. Conduit had Kryptonite blasts that could vaporize people. And in the very storyline we're discussing, Luthor's attempt to nuke the meteor failed because the radiation vaporized the missiles before they could impact the meteor. An amount of Kryptonite that normal people would feel doesn't necessarily mean someone with superhuman durablity on Power Girl's level(who had switched back to Atlantean physiology) would feel it. In fact, if humans are merely feeling it wouldn't effect someone on Power Girl's level unless they were Kryptonian. And of course, as Rao pointed-out, Superman would feel it more than others.

the stated fact from issue #6 speaks for itself, and cannot be contorted. we were told EXACTLY WHEN the radiation pierced earth's atmosphere:

simple.

the fact that you are incessantly directing childish/trollish insults toward me speaks for itself. you have no way to properly retort the unambiguous stated FACT from issue #6, and smartass remarks are evidently your 'go-to' in that type of situation. bottom line: i have THOROUGHLY broken down why the scene from issue #4 is ambiguous. if you cannot understand why, then i suggest taking a basic grammar course, as NOTHING from that scene can be taken as irrefutable fact. 👆

and as i said above: even if you think the k-nite WAS affecting superman in issue #4, absolutely NO evidence states that it was "weakening" him. NONE. that portion of your argument is entirely fictitious. 🙂

*cue another insult-filled tantrum*

Originally posted by Galan007
the stated fact from issue #6 speaks for itself, and cannot be contorted. we were told EXACTLY WHEN the radiation pierced earth's atmosphere. simple.

the fact that you are incessantly directing childish/trollish insults toward me speaks for itself. you have no way to properly retort the unambiguous stated FACT from issue #6, and smartass remarks are your 'go-to' in that type of situation. bottom line: i have THOROUGHLY broken down why the scene from issue #4 is ambiguous. if you cannot understand why, then i suggest taking a basic grammar course, as NOTHING from that scene can be taken as irrefutable fact. 👆

and as i said above: even if you think the k-nite WAS affecting superman in issue #4, absolutely NO evidence states that it was "weakening" him. NONE. that portion of your argument is entirely fictitious. 🙂

*cue another insult-filled tantrum*

Not really. I already showed everything, all you're doing is nitpicking and dismissing everything as "ambiguous."

And the great irony that you call I have "childish/trollish insults" and I'm going to throw a tantrum after the meltdown you had on me over you being wrong about Superman being hit by Imperiex. Delicious irony indeed.

Originally posted by Galan007
the stated fact from issue #6 speaks for itself, and cannot be contorted. we were told EXACTLY WHEN the radiation pierced earth's atmosphere:

simple.

the fact that you are incessantly directing childish/trollish insults toward me speaks for itself. you have no way to properly retort the unambiguous stated FACT from issue #6, and smartass remarks are evidently your 'go-to' in that type of situation. bottom line: i have THOROUGHLY broken down why the scene from issue #4 is ambiguous. if you cannot understand why, then i suggest taking a basic grammar course, as NOTHING from that scene can be taken as irrefutable fact. 👆

and as i said above: even if you think the k-nite WAS affecting superman in issue #4, absolutely NO evidence states that it was "weakening" him. NONE. that portion of your argument is entirely fictitious. 🙂

*cue another insult-filled tantrum*

Originally posted by Delta1938
Not really. I already showed everything, all you're doing is nitpicking and dismissing everything as "ambiguous."

And the great irony that you call I have "childish/trollish insults" and I'm going to throw a tantrum after the meltdown you had on me over you being wrong about Superman being hit by Imperiex. Delicious irony indeed.

truly you never fail to deliver. 👆

*cue another insult-filled tantrum*

Originally posted by Mindset
Shut up, stupid.

Originally posted by Galan007
LOL. the guy who claims he's not throwing a juvenile temper tantrum brings up a completely unrelated past debate for no reason other than to troll.

truly you never fail to deliver. 👆

*cue another insult-filled tantrum*

Actually that past debate is relevant here. Not to the topic itself, but you keep saying you're reporting me and saying I'm "childish" and "throwing a tantrum." After how you reacted there. I'm simply laughing at you acting like a mature and reasonable adult after that. But you didn't figure that out, even after I already said it.

And "another tantrum?" 😆

That one scene that everyone seems to be hovering around in that Superman.Batman story isn't the only time that Captain Marvel has had it out with Superman. They also fought when Superman was possessed by Eclipso, and an Eclipsed Superman one shot KO'd Lobo. He was unable to do this to Captain Marvel, which shows that if Superman is not sun amped they are actually pretty close in strength, with a slight edge going to Superman. Captain Marvel even caught Superman's punch, and told him that he would not be able to kill him. He of course was talking to Eclipso which is something that needs not be said, but all the same. Galan is correct in his assessment.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Actually that past debate is relevant here. Not to the topic itself, but you keep saying you're reporting me and saying I'm "childish" and "throwing a tantrum." After how you reacted there. I'm simply laughing at you acting like a mature and reasonable adult after that. But you didn't figure that out, even after I already said it.

And "another tantrum?" 😆

anywho, i'm done stroking your e-ego. if anyone else has something of substance they'd like to mention, then i have no problem indulging them.

you can go ahead and get in the last word, though. i know you crave it(most children do.) 🙂

Originally posted by Stoic
That one scene that everyone seems to be hovering around in that Superman.Batman story isn't the only time that Captain Marvel has had it out with Superman. They also fought when Superman was possessed by Eclipso, and an Eclipsed Superman one shot KO'd Lobo. He was unable to do this to Captain Marvel, which shows that if Superman is not sun amped they are actually pretty close in strength, with a slight edge going to Superman. Captain Marvel even caught Superman's punch, and told him that he would not be able to kill him. He of course was talking to Eclipso which is something that needs not be said, but all the same. Galan is correct in his assessment.

What are you talking about Sun amp? And in the second Eclipso fight, Eclipso wanted to use Captain Marvel as his host. Since Superman's powered by the Sun and Eclipso would be forced out of his hosts when exposed to Sunlight. And Cap caught his punch when Zeus-Amping.

Galan's assessment requires focusing on one thing, dismissing everything he can as "ambiguous," and ignoring other things, like the problem with Superman's condition when Galan claims Kryptonite finally effects him if it "just" penetrated the atmosphere.

Originally posted by Stoic
That one scene that everyone seems to be hovering around in that Superman.Batman story isn't the only time that Captain Marvel has had it out with Superman. They also fought when Superman was possessed by Eclipso, and an Eclipsed Superman one shot KO'd Lobo. He was unable to do this to Captain Marvel, which shows that if Superman is not sun amped they are actually pretty close in strength, with a slight edge going to Superman. Captain Marvel even caught Superman's punch, and told him that he would not be able to kill him. He of course was talking to Eclipso which is something that needs not be said, but all the same. Galan is correct in his assessment.

for some reason a select few people became fixated on that one scene as though it was the end all/be all. but yeah, supes and shazam have always been shown as peers/near-equals, with a marginal power gap between them. any logical person has already agreed with this.

Originally posted by Galan007
. i know you crave it(most children do.) 🙂

Personally I crave sugar.....and attention.

Originally posted by Galan007
👆 my sentiment exactly.

for some reason a select few people became fixated on that one scene as though it was the end all/be all. but yeah, outside that supes and shazam have always been shown as peers/near-equals, with a marginal power gap between them. any logical person has already agreed with this.

Can the irony get any greater?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Personally I crave sugar.....and attention.

Carver and JBL are logical now?