Originally posted by JBL
Take a challenge while you and 50 other superman fans pollute the challenge? You think i will accept that?? There is not a superman writer that's dumb enough to state that superman has dynamic strength, its superman fans that make that claim, even claming that superman can only access 20% of his strength because of mental blocks.LMAO!!..... One minute they say he can go all-out and rise above his peers then in the ever common blooper, state that he cannot dip into his might because of mental blocks.LMAO, And all the while, you have statements of him going all-out against other characters, getting over-powered, getting beaten, meeting stronger characters While NOTHING has even been written that he can stop holding back or drop mental blocks to win against major threats, even admitted on-panel that he DOES NOT have the power to stop imperix and needed everyones help, so you take that little rat on your page and keep eating your hidden superman cheese. If superman had dynamic strength, it would be as clear as day and made known by ALL his writers like ALL of hulks writers have done for many years. Superman himself ( which is the living writers words ) has stated many times he was giving all he had, BUT what do superman fans do??? They have to get creative and desperate, SOOOOOOOO, they dream up mental blocks and say he cannot access his might because of blocks???LMAO. Do you think i want to end this great comedy that gives me a good healthy laugh every day?? You got me bent. And for the record, his mental blocks are there so that he does not have to keep reminding himself to be careful around humans, weaker foes as not to hurt or kill them, get it???? He can use all his strength against his peers and stronger foes, get it?? Of course you dont get it, you belong to the house of EL as undercover as you might think you are.
I understand. I figured you wouldn't accept my challenge for the same reason I didn't expect you to apologize over falsely claiming I said Doomsday beats Galactus(since you never actually read what I posted for the longest time, if at all. I was only expecting a man to apologize.
You bring-up boxing metaphors. I'll use one. Floyd Mayweather Jr talks shit a lot about MMA, saying they're nowhere near his level, that any quality boxer can go into the UFC and easily become champion, ect. But when given the opportunity to back his shit talking, he always dodges it. He knows he would get destroyed. You know you stand no chance, not because of "fan pollution," as a Battlezone would have only those involved in the thread(debaters, judges, ect) allowed post until it's over.
No, the real reason is, deep down, you know you have no argument. And you don't want that exposed to your conscious mind.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yah, but he almost never uses it lol.Wisdom of Solomon SHOULD give him spell casting ability too, right? I think I read it in his bio somewhere.
It's been shown more as a sense than something he'd have to actively use. Like he just knew that a building framework was going to collapse or something(but wasn't sure why) in THE POWER OF SHAZAM graphic novel(before the regular series), and in SUPERMAN/SHAZAM!: FIRST THUNDER, he just knew about the mallus trolls.
Originally posted by carver9
Which fight between the two shows a gap in strength?
The very cited SUPERMAN/BATMAN fight where Cap has this "edge toe-to-toe" because of magick. Superman is effected by Kryptonite(that increasing as time goes on), had fought a lot and even had energy drained from him. But Cap can only stalemate him at best and Superman catches his punch. I already pointed this out. That's one example.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Wisdom of Salamon should help him find Kurse weakness, with a vast speed advantage CM takes it more often than not.
In a featureless battlefield, where is he getting this iron from? If there was no weakness exploitation, and the fight was measured from this concept, Captain Marvel gets chipped up. I mean how is this even fair if Captain Marvel gets to use Algrim's vulnerability against him?
Originally posted by Delta1938
The very cited SUPERMAN/BATMAN fight where Cap has this "edge toe-to-toe" because of magick. Superman is effected by Kryptonite(that increasing as time goes on), had fought a lot and even had energy drained from him. But Cap can only stalemate him at best and Superman catches his punch. I already pointed this out. That's one example.
Do you have the scan of the Kryptonite showing? How about this, provide me all of the issue numbers. I need to refresh my memory. Also, Superman didn't seem weakened during that showing and per the way he was talking, it seems like he was giving an overall description, not a right then statement (hope you understood that).
Originally posted by carver9
Do you have the scan of the Kryptonite showing? How about this, provide me all of the issue numbers. I need to refresh my memory. Also, Superman didn't seem weakened during that showing and per the way he was talking, it seems like he was giving an overall description, not a right then statement (hope you understood that).
SUPERMAN/BATMAN #1-#4 is the storyline.
SUPERMAN/BATMAN #1, when telling President Luthor about the Kryptonite asteroid, that when it will be passing Saturn, they could be feeling its radioactivity on Earth. SUPERMAN/BATMAN #2. It passes Saturn. After Superman has a Kryptonite bullet removed from him, he fights what appears to be the Pre-CRISIS Superman, based on a reference in a later, but connected storyline. This Superman is actually trying to kill New Ear Superman. Also, during the fight, Superman grabs the Kryptonite bullet to put in a shotgun and use on (apparent) Pre-CRSIS Superman.
EDIT: Adding the scans from SUPERMAN/BATMAN #1 about the Kryptonite meteor, then that it passed Saturn before Superman's fight with the apparent Pre-CRISIS Superman from the future.
Then he fights Silver Banshee, a bunch of ice based villains, Mongul II, gets attacked by Nighshade(whose energy from a shadow dimension drains Superman), KOs Gorilla Grodd who was controlling the villains, and then him and Batman momentarily fight the other villains around them before the strike force sent to arrest Superman comes in. Some of them are secretly on Superman's side, and Batman helps a bit(mainly keeping a couple busy), but overall Superman embarrasses them. Then more time goes on as other stuff happens.
Then more time goes on as Supes, Batman, Power Girl and Katana go to get the giant robot from Toyman that's made to destroy the Kryptonite meteor. Before Captain Marvel attacks, this is what happen.
Power Girl asks what took him so long. Superman claims he just wanted to fly below Toyman's RADAR, but Batman believes the Kryptonite meteor is effecting Superman. Superman specifically asks Power Girl if she "feels" anything in the air, and when she says no, Superman's narration states it's odd, because he recently heard Power Girl had reacted to Kryptonite. This I believe was when the storyline having her swap between her Kryptonian and Atlantean origins was happening due to the oncoming INFINITE CRISIS.
Considering Superman's moving slow compared to Power Girl, Batman is speculating that Supes feels the Kryptonite, and Superman specifically asks PeeGee if she "feels anything in the air" and is surprised she didn't, I don't see how that can't be seen as anything but the writer pounding that, yes, Superman is indeed effected by it. Plus, all that fighting, and the energy drain, he had before. Superman's statement of wanting to fly under Toyman's RADAR is contradicted by his narration of surprise that Power Girl doesn't feel the Kryptonite. So basically he was acting like he was fine.
if the writer intended it to be a known fact that supes was weakened, he wouldn't have had batman state "i cannot be certain...", and/or would have had superman blatantly state "i am weakening."
but since nothing of the sort was stated outright, and open-ended terminology was used, all we can deduce is that the scene was left ambiguous AT BEST.
Originally posted by Galan007
if the writer intended it to be a known fact that supes was weakened, he wouldn't have had batman state "i cannot be certain...", and/or would have had superman blatantly state "i am weakening."but since nothing of the sort was stated outright, and open-ended terminology was used, all we can deduce is that the scene was left ambiguous AT BEST.
Talk about straw grasping.
Originally posted by Galan007
yes, because pointing out OBVIOUS dialogue-ambiguity equates to "straw grasping" 'round these parts. 🙄
Except you're focusing on just one statement in the scene, and ignoring the rest. As well as everything established prior to this scene. And you accuse others of cherry picking.
no, i'm referring to EVERY statement in that scan. they are ALL indirect/open-ended/ambiguous. acting like they are statements of incontrovertible fact is retarded. they clearly are not.
don't be upset just because i'm poking holes in your theory. if the writer intended superman to be significantly weakened, we would have been BLATANTLY informed of such. he wouldn't have left such an important detail up to reader-interpretation. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
no, i'm referring to EVERY statement in that scan. they are ALL indirect/open-ended/ambiguous. acting like they are statements of incontrovertible fact is retarded. they clearly are not.don't be upset just because i'm poking holes in your theory. if the writer intended superman to be significantly weakened, we would have been BLATANTLY informed of such. he wouldn't have left such an important detail up to reader-interpretation. 👆
Clearly the Kryptonite was indeed effecting him as he was traveling rather slow and was surprised Power Girl didn't "feel anything." The story speaks for itself, I merely pointed-out what happens.
And amusing that you say I'm the one getting upset after that PMS-level meldown you had previously. But you also said you were "done with this thread so eh. Have a nice day.
Originally posted by Galan007
if the writer intended it to be a known fact that supes was weakened, he wouldn't have had batman state "i cannot be certain...", and/or would have had superman blatantly state "i am weakening."but since nothing of the sort was stated outright, and open-ended terminology was used, all we can deduce is that the scene was left ambiguous AT BEST.
Originally posted by Delta1938LMAO!! Can you comprehend words? You get corrected daily and still try to worm your way out. I expect my Pimp to be smarter than that. 😆
SUPERMAN/BATMAN #1-#4 is the storyline.SUPERMAN/BATMAN #1, when telling President Luthor about the Kryptonite asteroid, that when it will be passing Saturn, they could be feeling its radioactivity on Earth. SUPERMAN/BATMAN #2. It passes Saturn. After Superman has a Kryptonite bullet removed from him, he fights what appears to be the Pre-CRISIS Superman, based on a reference in a later, but connected storyline. This Superman is actually trying to kill New Ear Superman. Also, during the fight, Superman grabs the Kryptonite bullet to put in a shotgun and use on (apparent) Pre-CRSIS Superman.
EDIT: Adding the scans from SUPERMAN/BATMAN #1 about the Kryptonite meteor, then that it passed Saturn before Superman's fight with the apparent Pre-CRISIS Superman from the future.
Then he fights Silver Banshee, a bunch of ice based villains, Mongul II, gets attacked by Nighshade(whose energy from a shadow dimension drains Superman), KOs Gorilla Grodd who was controlling the villains, and then him and Batman momentarily fight the other villains around them before the strike force sent to arrest Superman comes in. Some of them are secretly on Superman's side, and Batman helps a bit(mainly keeping a couple busy), but overall Superman embarrasses them. Then more time goes on as other stuff happens.
Then more time goes on as Supes, Batman, Power Girl and Katana go to get the giant robot from Toyman that's made to destroy the Kryptonite meteor. Before Captain Marvel attacks, this is what happen.
Power Girl asks what took him so long. Superman claims he just wanted to fly below Toyman's RADAR, but Batman believes the Kryptonite meteor is effecting Superman. Superman specifically asks Power Girl if she "feels" anything in the air, and when she says no, Superman's narration states it's odd, because he recently heard Power Girl had reacted to Kryptonite. This I believe was when the storyline having her swap between her Kryptonian and Atlantean origins was happening due to the oncoming INFINITE CRISIS.
Considering Superman's moving slow compared to Power Girl, Batman is speculating that Supes feels the Kryptonite, and Superman specifically asks PeeGee if she "feels anything in the air" and is surprised she didn't, I don't see how that can't be seen as anything but the writer pounding that, yes, Superman is indeed effected by it. Plus, all that fighting, and the energy drain, he had before. Superman's statement of wanting to fly under Toyman's RADAR is contradicted by his narration of surprise that Power Girl doesn't feel the Kryptonite. So basically he was acting like he was fine.
Originally posted by Galan007
read your own scan, please. clark explained why he was 'flying slow'. again: ambiguity.anyway, concession accepted. stay mad. 👆
I've read the story. I also pointed-out Clark's surprise to PeeGee not feeling anything strange doesn't support him actually flying slow. If Jeph Loeb didn't intend for Superman to be weakened, he sure put a lot of work to make it ambiguous.
And nah, I'm not mad in the least. Good day ma'am.
Originally posted by JBL
LMAO!! Can you comprehend words? You get corrected daily and still try to worm your way out. 😆
That's not actual what's happening. And it's clear that you have to cheerlead others because you're not very good at this. You didn't even have the balls to decline my challenge to me. You threw a hissy fit at Leo.
Deal with it. You suck at this and are afraid to step-up to my challenge. You can't say other Superman fans will "pollute" the thread because we can have it so only those involved in the topic(debaters, judges and the ref) are allowed to post.
So put-up or shut-up. Don't make excuses.
Originally posted by Delta1938Why would i go against you big daddyyyyy?? 😍
I've read the story. I also pointed-out Clark's surprise to PeeGee not feeling anything strange doesn't support him actually flying slow. If Jeph Loeb didn't intend for Superman to be weakened, he sure put a lot of work to make it ambiguous.And nah, I'm not mad in the least. Good day ma'am.
That's not actual what's happening. And it's clear that you have to cheerlead others because you're not very good at this. You didn't even have the balls to decline my challenge to me. You threw a hissy fit at Leo.
Deal with it. You suck at this and are afraid to step-up to my challenge. You can't say other Superman fans will "pollute" the thread because we can have it so only those involved in the topic(debaters, judges and the ref) are allowed to post.
So put-up or shut-up. Don't make excuses.
