Originally posted by Rao Kal El
If kryptonite has nothing to do with the fight I don't see why the writer will mention that, but kryptonite was a big part of the arc and is conveniently mention before the fight.
Loeb went out of his way to establish Kryptonite as an effect. #1, scientists briefing to Luthor on what's going on and when we can feel the effects. #2, we see it pass the line where we'll fee the effects. #4 before fighting the strike force, we see it's even closer to Earth, then Power Girl asking why Superman was slow, Batman thinking it's effecting Superman, and Superman being surprised that Power Girl wasn't feeling anything when she recently had reacted to Kryptonite. Too many times and ways it's brought up to say it's "ambiguous."
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I sweeten the deal with 3 pineapples
He's too exhausted from thinking about that to debate.
Originally posted by Delta1938http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1351027175176_5313784.png
Loeb went out of his way to establish Kryptonite as an effect. #1, scientists briefing to Luthor on what's going on and when we can feel the effects. #2, we see it pass the line where we'll fee the effects. #4 before fighting the strike force, we see it's even closer to Earth, then Power Girl asking why Superman was slow, Batman thinking it's effecting Superman, and Superman being surprised that Power Girl wasn't feeling anything when she recently had reacted to Kryptonite. Too many times and ways it's brought up to say it's "ambiguous."He's too exhausted from thinking about that to debate.
Originally posted by JBL
http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1351027175176_5313784.png
And what brown nosing is here, exactly?
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynThe third superman fan has arrived, the circle is complete. The pollution has been named, thus i decline a challenge from a superman fan with his superman fan followers at every turn. It reminds me of this...
You have debased yourself with this thread!You are not built for these wars, boy!
Originally posted by JBL
The third superman fan has arrived, the circle is complete. The pollution has been named, thus i decline a challenge from a superman fan with his superman fan followers at every turn. It reminds me of this...
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/animals-trial-crime-criminal-bad_news-problems-jfa1032l.jpg
Or this..
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-t7Lvnu98MdQ/UnUwebJ2vVI/AAAAAAAAAZA/EdNub6wJb0g/s1600/bias+jury.png
😆
You'd rather call another man "Big Daddy" instead of debating him and you think that's funny.
A MORAL DISGRACE!
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynThat's right, a man that claims he's pimping a man is Ok in your book as long as you both love and worship a MAN in tights and a cape. 😆 . Please never stop, i love to laugh like this. 😆
You'd rather call another man "Big Daddy" instead of debating him and you think that's funny.[B]A MORAL DISGRACE!
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Originally posted by JBL
The third superman fan has arrived, the circle is complete. The pollution has been named, thus i decline a challenge from a superman fan with his superman fan followers at every turn. It reminds me of this...
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/animals-trial-crime-criminal-bad_news-problems-jfa1032l.jpg
Or this..
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-t7Lvnu98MdQ/UnUwebJ2vVI/AAAAAAAAAZA/EdNub6wJb0g/s1600/bias+jury.png
😆
On a battlezone no one but the judges and the contestants are allowed to post.
We are allowed to post on the battlezone discussion forum but not in the actualbattlezone match
So you will be on a pretty neutral battleground, hell even you and delta have to agree on the judges.
So you can refuse any judge you think might not be impartial to both of you.
Or you can keep calling him daddy and emasculate your self even further.that is up to you.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElDebating is a waste of time because if superman had dynamic strength, it would stop writers and the likes from FLAT OUT STATING that superman, CM, BA and plenty others are in the same strength class or equals. Very simple to understand if your nose is away from supes rear. Why would DC comics, writers and others make claims like this if one could stop holding back or drop (LMAO)mental blocks and gain anywhere between the fan made up 1 to 5x strength gain.
On a battlezone no one but the judges and the contestants are allowed to post.We are allowed to post on the battlezone discussion forum but not in the actualbattlezone match
So you will be on a pretty neutral battleground, hell even you and delta have to agree on the judges.
So you can refuse any judge you think might not be impartial to both of you.
Or you can keep calling him daddy and emasculate your self even further.that is up to you.
A for the strength of Amon Black Adam has a phenomenal level of super strength, able to easily bend steel, punch through walls, produce powerful shockwaves by clapping his hands, and lift massive objects. Adam's strength is generally depicted of being on levels equal to those of Superman and Captain Marvel, though some writers have portrayed his strength as possibly outmatching them. On at least one occasion, he has been able to hold his own against an assemblage of the Justice League, Justice Society, Great Ten, Martian Manhunter (who has strength depicted as close to Superman) and the Teen Titans
Originally posted by Galan007
you and i both know that ANY time they've met or battled on panel, they are ALWAYS treated as near-equals. hell, in S/B #4 superman himself stated that shazam holds the advantage over him toe-to-toe, thanks to his magical nature.anywho, i really don't care if people claim that superman is *marginally* more powerful than shazam--but acting like the difference between them equates to many orders of magnitude is an outright lie that directly contradicts on panel happenings. they're peers. always have been.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You know what else is funny? An all out Captain Marvel failing to beat Superman with a cheapshot and several attacks while Superman was weakened by kryptonite, drained by Nightshade just before that and took on an entire legion of villains and heroes including Captain Atom, Power Girl, John Stewart, Major Force and Mongul and where his magical vulnerability was specifically mentioned.Here is Cap ordered to go all out.
Superman drained before that.
And then the same weakened superman knocks out cap off panel with a cheapshot and steals his clothes.
So an all out Cap can't beat a weakened superman while Superman was severally handicapped but Superman takes him out casually when he wants?
mmm
BTW I just imagined Cap tied somewhere along with Hawkman naked and can't help but laugh. Loeb you sly dog!
Superman was undoubtedly weakened due to getting drained by Nightshade+fighting constantly+kryptonite, yet all out Cap failed to knock him out with a suckerpunch and Superman caught his punch despite being weakened. And then he knocked out cap with a suckerpunch. Who looked more impressive? Cap had all the advantages in his favor and yet Superman looked decidedly superior in strength. And every fight?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman wins decisively in a punchfest. Just like he beat the shit out of Adam's equal Captain Marvel in only decisive fight among all three.http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04c.jpg
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http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04j.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04k.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04l.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04m.jpg
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http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ActionComicsAnnual04o.jpgAnd before someone starts shouting Eclipso amp, it was shown in the very same crossover that Superman's powers actually weaken Eclipso as Eclipso weakens Superman.
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I disgaree.
nearly a whole issue-worth of battling and superman didn't gain any sort of advantage until the very last scan? yeah, thanks for helping prove my point that he and shazam are ALWAYS portrayed as near-equals when they fight. 👆
it's also worth noting that superman was out for blood thanks to eclipso-possession, while shazam was not. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
if the writer intended it to be a known fact that supes was weakened, he wouldn't have had batman state "i cannot be certain...", and/or would have had superman blatantly state "i am weakening."but since nothing of the sort was stated outright, and open-ended terminology was used, all we can deduce is that the scene was left ambiguous AT BEST.
Well just look at where the asteroid is at the time.
Passing saturn. In the issue where Superman fought Cap, it was passing Jupiter.
No ambiguous words there.
So, its radiation would be starting to felt when it was passing saturn but passing Jupiter and Superman wasn't feeling its effects? I call BS.
Originally posted by Galan007
nearly a whole issue-worth of battling and superman didn't gain any sort of advantage until the very last scan? yeah, thanks for helping prove my point that he and shazam are ALWAYS portrayed as near-equals when they fight. 👆it's also worth noting that superman was out for blood thanks to eclipso-possession, while shazam was not. 👆
And actually suckershotting him at the start of the fight. But hey, look at how Superman's fight with the guy who was actually more powerful than every hero Eclipso controlled went.
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02d.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/EclipsoDarknessWithin02f.jpg
So yeah, fighting savagely didn't give Superman the win against Cap. Superior strength did.
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