Originally posted by marwash22no offence but this reminds me of the anime lightning argument the hardcore comic fans use lol.
no fire in Naruto is on Yama's level. Not even close.Madara and Hashi are no immune to heat
they die.
I'm not saying immune but both have very powerful shields and the ability to disperse large amounts of fire.
Originally posted by NemeBrofrom a distance tho.
Reacting to and deflecting Biju bombs which move faster than Yamamoto.
Not seeing how that makes them faster than a guy who literally teleports.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
no offence but this reminds me of the anime lightning argument the hardcore comic fans use lol.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
I'm not saying immune but both have very powerful shields and the ability to disperse large amounts of fire.
Originally posted by marwash22But they're so fast the distance doesn't matter.
from a distance tho.Not seeing how that makes them faster than a guy who literally teleports.
"Literally teleports"? Flash Step enables you to move so fast you appear to teleport.
Genin could pull this off in Naruto.
You can do better than that.
That just makes it worse though.
If it isn't based on individual speed and it's the same for everyone, then it's not speed at all. It's just teleportation, and they apparently can't control themselves during it according to you.
So it's really only good for Yamamoto if he want sot run away, which would be a good idea for him. He might survive.
Originally posted by NemeBro
That just makes it worse though.If it isn't based on individual speed and it's the same for everyone, then it's not speed at all. It's just teleportation, and they apparently can't control themselves during it according to you.
So it's really only good for Yamamoto if he want sot run away, which would be a good idea for him. He might survive.
Some people (like Yoruichi) are better adept in shunpo than others. The basis of the move is speed, but it's not simply about running to your destination.
You should know this stuff, Neme. I'm pretty sure you've been reading Bleach longer than i have.
Use it to run away? lol.
How would shunpo not help Yama get behind Madara and Hashi and punch their heads off before they can formulate a thought?
When the Hokage and Madara are in normal alive versions they do not appear to be nearly as strong as their resurrection modes. I mean Madara literally "dies" to the 1st tricking him with a wood clone and being stabbed in the back. Madara's most powerful move is using the 9-tails in his susanoo which is literally just a giant in living fire armor. The susanoo protects the person from a physical attack but if you effect everything around it, like the environment encompassing it, it has a major weakness which was shown several times.
The first hokage uses wood style, water and earth which probably in their separate forms would be more useful against Yamamoto.
Yamamoto is strong because he has total symbiosis with his zanpakto and an extraordinary amount of experience. His will is literally on fire in addition to his sword. He doesn't really even use kedo. Most of his fighting force seems to be strength, overwhelming, and will power in terms of spiritual energy.
It is a bit of a match. I am just not sure how durable the Naruto characters are if they are just in normal form. It didn't seem like they had a lot of endurance as most of their fights with one another seemed to be desperate boughts of endurance to continue using spiritual energy.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
When the Hokage and Madara are in normal alive versions they do not appear to be nearly as strong as their resurrection modes.
I didn't want to make them their Edo versions because yeah, they have unlimited chakra/stamina and can't be destroyed. It's hard to quantify speed feats between the two universes. One is supposedly ninjas, some of whom have godlike feats, while the other is a universe full of shinigami and beings who's speed/strength 'should' be much higher, but I just don't know. Yamamoto is an absolute beast, but something tells me the First and Madara would be enough to overwhelm him together.
The 13 court guards supposedly embody the traits of sin like the Espada and Shinigami translates to Death God 🙂
I agree that the two universes are hard to translate in speed. I think that the Naruto universe emphasizes less on speed as a feat of battle and more on trickery and spirit energy useage while Bleach has a wider range of characters that embody both physical ability and spirity ability and only a few people who use trickery. The two comparisons in this case are extreme spirit ability (Madara/1st) usage verses a character that embodies mainly physical ability. (Yamamoto) SO it is hard to compare them in a sense 🙂 The only thing I can say in terms of trickery is that Yamamoto in terms of his experience and strategy usage sees through almost every trick except Aizens which is just kinda unfair trickery.