Originally posted by Blazing Storm
So RM Naruto's chakra makes fodders as strong as the Juubi?Stop bullshitting and get to the point
No one except for your dumb ass said that though.
Don't accuse others of being as stupid as you.
Prove it instead of typing the same bullcrap over and overconcession accepted
No, I've already provided strength feats for Tsunade. Show me any lieutenant or even captain strength feats on par with hers my dumbass friend.
Originally posted by NemeBroExcept that you implied it by saying fodders with Naruto's chakra are strong enough to tank Juubi's balsts.
No one except for your dumb ass said that though.Don't accuse others of being as stupid as you.
Stop contradicting yourself or gtfo
No, I've already provided strength feats for Tsunade. Show me any lieutenant or even captain strength feats on par with hers my dumbass friend. [/B]Captains? Even the weakest captains like Komamura can toss a guy like this who weighs over a thousand tons
I don't even need to get to H2 Ichigo crushing a country level Lanza with his palm or Kenpachi with no bankai, patch on and using only one hand, busting a country sized meteor moving at hypersonic speeds
Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Except that you implied it by saying fodders with Naruto's chakra are strong enough to tank Juubi's balsts.Stop contradicting yourself or gtfo
They are.
That doesn't make them as strong as the Juubi, especially when said attack, despite its power, isn't nearly its most powerful attack.
Captains? Even the weakest captains like Komamura can toss a guy like this who weighs over a thousand tonsI don't even need to get to H2 Ichigo crushing a country level Lanza with his palm or Kenpachi with no bankai, patch on and using only one hand, busting a country sized meteor moving at hypersonic speeds
Komamura is one of the physically strongest captains (Only confirmed weaker than Kenpachi and possibly weaker than the top tiers), that he overall sucks means nothing.
Tsunade punches harder than the Raikage, who could match V1 Bee (The same one who turns cliffsides into rubble with a lariat). Much harder, considering A needed Onoki's help to replicate her feat.
The Lanza isn't a country buster, and it didn't explode when he grabbed it. He wasn't subject to its power. That meteor wasn't anywhere near the size of a country. 👆
Soi Fon's bankai is confirmed as one of the destructive of all the Bankai. It destroys anything caught in it that lives. It was just used against a guy that could not be touched pretty much.
Kenpachi beats Komamura and Tosen at the same time so that strength threshold is WAY overwhelming >.> Half the higher tier captains are more powerful then Kenpachi at that time so Yamamoto at that moment must be beyond powerful.
She is Physically stronger that the Raikage sure. It is also shown she has a SERIOUS amount of limitation on her ability to do that very long. She is literally using up her life force to fight like that.
Neither of the meteors noted in Naruto or Bleach are as big as they are being made out to be. I am only judging by how immense the soul society is versus the size of the meteor being displayed versus the size of the one on the battlefield portrayed in Naruto. The Bleach one is visibly larger honestly. A meteors power is the speed it is travelling at also. The one from Naruto is literally just falling out of the sky while the one in bleach is hurtling in because it was made by IMAGINATION! The guy he is fighting literally just sent Kenpachi into a bubble where he experienced being in space and having his organs smashed, comes out of it and is like HELL YES I GET TO CUT A METEOR! For fun >.> He doesn't give a crap about everyone dying lol
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Soi-fon's Bankai is not a nuke.Really I'm not sure what the argument here is. If PIS is off, Madara's Perfect Susano'o utterly eclipses Yamamoto's Bankai. Heat be damned, the Susano'o has flat out better feats. This is a point that can't be argued lol.
Taking the PIS out, Yamamoto tends to simply spam his much less powerful Shikai as he dismisses his opponents as brats. Even Aizen was not worth the Bankai in his eyes. Usually a good strategy but if the Kenpachi vs Kisame thread, made by the same OP, shows anything it is that chakra absorption works as Reiatsu absorption, meaning Madara can render the flames a non-issue. Straight up physical attacks aren't going to do much to Madara's Susano'o. The majority of Yamamoto's moveset is simply shut down by the moves Madara uses when he toys with people(and when he literally has no eyes). Yamamoto is stronger but Madara handled attacks from A and Tsunade just fine, to say nothing of the Bijuu attack he withstood. Flash step usually means Bleach characters are faster but the Flying Thunder God has better showings and the Bijuu bomb was calced to move at ludicrous speeds. There is nothing Yamamoto has that Madara does not have an answer in response.
And even if Yamamoto is slightly more powerful than Madara(and I don't think he is), Chojiro is such a non-factor in this fight that it is basically a two on one between the Shinobi and Yamamoto. He has no feats to his name except dying and losing to a Zanpakuto-less Ichigo.
It wasn't really heat we are arguing. His Bankai uses "heat" as a reference. He states that it renders all existence void when it touches things. His true Bankai's ability we find out when he really releases it is to raise all the dead he has vanquished as zombies and anything they touch disintegrates.
Madara has a great shield but I just don't see how he actually attacks Yamamoto. He just tosses really low level stuff that I can see being destroyed by pretty much everything Yamamoto can do with no real effort. You guys talk about Madara but in my opinion it is the 1st who is more powerful in this situation. He can actually attack. Madara always just hides behind his shield and lawls at idiots but never really definitively does killing blows. He just does big AoE and shock and awe meteor crap that would be totally ineffective considering how physically strong and tough Yamamoto is. If he ever gets his sussano brought down he is done in seconds.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
It wasn't really heat we are arguing. His Bankai uses "heat" as a reference. He states that it renders all existence void when it touches things.
Besides destroying a bit of Soul Society his Bankai didn't do that much. And for rendering all existence void sounds nice but the one guy hit by the technique just lost his torso and one arm. He didn't even die out right lol.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
His true Bankai's ability we find out when he really releases it is to raise all the dead he has vanquished as zombies and anything they touch disintegrates.
They do not considering a guy punched the shit out of them and didn't disintegrate.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Madara has a great shield but I just don't see how he actually attacks Yamamoto.
Probably Susano'o swords.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
He just tosses really low level stuff that I can see being destroyed by pretty much everything Yamamoto can do with no real effort.
Mokuton yeah Yamamoto could probably handle but the meteors would pose problems. And Perfect Susano'o would just flat out win the fight.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
You guys talk about Madara but in my opinion it is the 1st who is more powerful in this situation. He can actually attack.
Well yeah the 1st can do a lot too. Which is why this isn't really a fair fight since Chojiro is useless while Hashirama is even stronger than the guy who could probably beat Yamamoto by himself.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Madara always just hides behind his shield and lawls at idiots but never really definitively does killing blows.
Sasuke and the 5 Kage would disagree. As would the majority of the 4th Division of the Shinobi Alliance.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
He just does big AoE and shock and awe meteor crap that would be totally ineffective considering how physically strong and tough Yamamoto is.
Yamamoto could probably survive a meteor but he's not chopping them in half since his Zanpakuto lacks destructive feats and he definitely lacks sufficient strength showings.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
If he ever gets his sussano brought down he is done in seconds.
Not likely since he can absorb fire and take a hit pretty well.
Originally posted by Blazing Storm
No it isn't.The second meteor only hit the first meteor, not Onoki directly so the impact was greatly reduced. Not to mention, the second meteor was not even powerful enough to shatter the lighter rock below it.
And its you who kept making shit up, saying Madara's susanoo tanked the meteor...which clearly implies you are the one who didnt read the series
Do you realise that meteors can widely vary in size? Gremmy's meteor is hundreds of times larger than Madara's in terms of volume as it was half the size of Seireitei while Madara's was only a few times taller than the trees around
http://narutobase.net/manga/mangas/Naruto/561%20-%20The%20Power%20in%20a%20Name/04-05.png
Seireitei is over 100 km in length, while Madara's meteor was only about 1km in diameter
No, prove that Madara's incomplete Susanoo was hit by the meteor as you claimed. Don't try changing the topic kiddo
They are only low tiers in Bleach
Try again
Yes, it clearly is.
Really? It looks a lot like it broke the second meteor. I honestly, at this point, think you're reading a completely different series, because everything you're saying in a pitiful attempt to discount my facts, is completely false.
Um, Madara didn't tank that specific meteor because he didn't have to. Stated by himself.
Not to mention that Uncle rubber was able to use rubber to tank it. Even Raikage was able to break through it, proving feats above that to be superior to the double meteor, which puts Uncle rubber's durability above any Bleach character, just fyi.
PFFFFFFFTT, Really?
THIS meteor was "hundreds of times larger than Madara's? How much crack to you smoke before you post on here? It wasn't even that big compared to Kenny alone. Btw, Sokyoku hill alone is about 1/4th as tall as the barrier itself. Since you want to pixel scale like that, I can go and make a calc putting the Seireitei at Karakura town sized. Which it's not much bigger than.
A few times taller than the tree's? You're literally talking about the POV of people separated from the meteor's by a forest, and a MOUNTAIN RANGE. The meteor's collision was felt from COUNTRIES AWAY, to the point where buildings shook in other villages.
You're basing Seireitei's size on what, ONE vague statement? I can show proof, like I have been, of several SCANS, proving it to be town sized. Around as big as the damn Leaf village.
I don't have to. The only one changing the subject is you, by trying to avoid the fact that Raikage level characters can destroy Uncle rubbers creations, but can't even CRACK Madara's partial Susano'o. He needed Tsukikage to augment his strength, and make him lighter, AND STILL COULDN'T DO WHAT TSUNADE COULD ON HER OWN.
Low tiers? Based on WHAT? You have yet to show a SINGLE feat that doesn't rely SOLELY on the premise that ONE statement that Yoroichi made early in the series is COMPLETELY accurate. Not to mention that it can be deciphered MANY different ways, and is in no way, shape or form definitive. Yama couldn't get through Uncle Rubber's shields for gods sake, lol.
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaThe first meteor is still there below it and isn't completely destroyed. Though it was extremely lightened.
Yes, it clearly is.Really? It looks a lot like it broke the second meteor. I honestly, at this point, think you're reading a completely different series, because everything you're saying in a pitiful attempt to discount my facts, is completely false.
Besides, as I said Onoki didnt tank its full force as it was an indirect hit, not a direct one. So its not a meteor level feat at all.
Um, Madara didn't tank that specific meteor because he didn't have to. Stated by himself.Then that just contradicts your previous claim of "That, btw, was above a town level feat, considering Madara's partial Susano'o tanked two meteors."
So please have an idea about what you're talking
PFFFFFFFTT, Really?That's because Kenny is in font of the meteor and the meteor is BEHIND him, duh.http://i40.mangapanda.com/bleach/577/bleach-4907051.jpg
THIS meteor was "hundreds of times larger than Madara's? How much crack to you smoke before you post on here? It wasn't even that big compared to Kenny alone.
By your logic, the moon is not that big as its comparable to the palm of my hand.
Btw, Sokyoku hill alone is about 1/4th as tall as the barrier itself. Since you want to pixel scale like that, I can go and make a calc putting the Seireitei at Karakura town sized. Which it's not much bigger than.No it isn't. Sokyoku hill reaches the clouds, which are like 2 miles high.
So its almost as tall as the Juubi tree, which also just rises above the clouds: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130920204541/naruto/es/images/0/09/Forma_Total_de_Shinju.png
Besides, Ive already posted a scan of Seiretiei having mountain ranges which are not even visible from its full view. So small country sized Seireitei makes sense.
A few times taller than the tree's? You're literally talking about the POV of people separated from the meteor's by a forest, and a MOUNTAIN RANGE. The meteor's collision was felt from COUNTRIES AWAY, to the point where buildings shook in other villages.Shaking =/= busting.
And yes, its just a few times taller than the trees as it can be seen here: http://narutobase.net/manga/mangas/Naruto/561%20-%20The%20Power%20in%20a%20Name/04-05.png
Its just about 1 mile in diameter, while Gremmy's is atleast large city and likely small country sized (100+ miles).
You're basing Seireitei's size on what, ONE vague statement? I can show proof, like I have been, of several SCANS, proving it to be town sized.Pixel scaling doesn't work as Kubo is sometimes bad with his drawings.
I've shown multiple proofs to show Seireitei's size:
1. It has mountain ranges in it
2. It takes 10 days to walk from one gate to another
3. Its stated to have 12 districts, with over 12000 regions. An average district in japan is abuot the size of a large city, so the entire Seireitei being small country sized makes sense
Low tiers? Based on WHAT? You have yet to show a SINGLE feat that doesn't rely SOLELY on the premise that ONE statement that Yoroichi made early in the series is COMPLETELY accurate. Not to mention that it can be deciphered MANY different ways, and is in no way, shape or form definitive. Yama couldn't get through Uncle Rubber's shields for gods sake, lol.Who said yama can't break through uncle rubber's shields? They are two completely different series.
Besides, H2 Ichigo already crushed a country level Lanza with his bare hands, so it means a mid-high tier in Bleach has country level physical strength.
So town level Tsunade or Raikage is just a low tier in Bleach. Even if her strength is higher than low tiers, her speed and durability is shit and she doesn't even have flight
Originally posted by NemeBroThe force was still divided between them.
They are.That doesn't make them as strong as the Juubi, especially when said attack, despite its power, isn't nearly its most powerful attack.
If 100 people tank a city level attack, then the net force which each one individually tanked is only 1/100th of it.
Komamura is one of the physically strongest captains (Only confirmed weaker than Kenpachi and possibly weaker than the top tiers), that he overall sucks means nothing.Komamura did that in base form (no shikai or bankai). Shikai Ichigo could match patched Kenpachi's strikes, who could easily block Komamura's shikai and shikai Ichi is only low-captain level in strength.
Infact Base Grimmjow could block shikai ichigo with only his mini finger.
Tsunade punches harder than the Raikage, who could match V1 Bee (The same one who turns cliffsides into rubble with a lariat). Much harder, considering A needed Onoki's help to replicate her feat.Breaking a few large rocks isn't that impressive. A low tier like Base Renji can do something mroe than that with a casual backhand.
The Lanza isn't a country buster, and it didn't explode when he grabbed it. He wasn't subject to its power. That meteor wasn't anywhere near the size of a country. 👆Las Noches takes 3 days to walk and Ichgo and his friends didnt get any closer despite walking towards it for hours. So its indeed country sized. And h2 Ichigo absorbed all of Lanza's impact with his hand, so it didnt explode that widely.
Seireitei is as big as Las Noches, possibly bigger, so that makes Gremmy's meteor half the size of a country. Even a city sized meteor can lifewipe the dinosaurs and leave a country level crater, so a small country sized meteor should be continent+.
Originally posted by Blazing Storm
The force was still divided between them.If 100 people tank a city level attack, then the net force which each one individually tanked is only 1/100th of it.
Komamura did that in base form (no shikai or bankai). Shikai Ichigo could match patched Kenpachi's strikes, who could easily block Komamura's shikai and shikai Ichi is only low-captain level in strength.
Infact Base Grimmjow could block shikai ichigo with only his mini finger.
Breaking a few large rocks isn't that impressive. A low tier like [b]Base
Renji can do something mroe than that with a casual backhand.Las Noches takes 3 days to walk and Ichgo and his friends didnt get any closer despite walking towards it for hours. So its indeed country sized. And h2 Ichigo absorbed all of Lanza's impact with his hand, so it didnt explode that widely.
Seireitei is as big as Las Noches, possibly bigger, so that makes Gremmy's meteor half the size of a country. Even a city sized meteor can lifewipe the dinosaurs and leave a country level crater, so a small country sized meteor should be continent+. [/B]
What? Are you retarded? Force doesn't work like that. They all tanked a city level attack. You can throw infinite people at once into the sun, but they will all be vaporized instantly, no matter how many people you throw into it.
Uh, when did Grimmjow do that?
Tsunade was strong enough to lift a BUILDING sized SOLID steel sword, and jam it through the head of a mountain level tanker on par with Biju. She flicks through Renji's head.
You're taking that entire scale based off of ONE statement, which I can prove(again, as I have many times to you) to be retarded. I can give you a scan right now proving that to be wrong. The senkaimon, which COVERS Seireitei, is only about 4 times taller than Sokyoku hill. A HILL. That makes it as tall as a mid sized mountain. Making Seireitei town sized. Not to mention, that LN is also comparable in size to hills. Dunes, in fact. Making LN even smaller.
Yes, a small country sized meteor would be that strong, but Gremmy's is HALF as big as a mountain, so it's nowhere even close to a hundredth of that. It's town level. Like all other super high-tiers in Bleach. 👆
If you haven't heard or seen the fights we are talking about why are you arguing that we are crazy or something O.o
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A meteor the size of a basketball has the power to wipe out a city block.... so a meteor the size of a bus could wipe out a city.
So like those tower things they are casually destroying are town wide skyscrapers that reach into the atmosphere >.> Thats why the Arcannar above 6 are not allowed to fight in Huecho Mundo because their power would destroy the place. Huecho Mundo is big enough to house as many souls of hollows that equally replace the population of the EARTH and Soul Society. That is a BASIC premise of the whole story about BLEACH. That is why the Quincy got wiped out and why they are pissed when they attack now. THe soul reapers wouldn't let the Quincies kill all the hollows because it would destroy the world because there has to be balance between the populations.
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
YouTube videoIf you haven't heard or seen the fights we are talking about why are you arguing that we are crazy or something O.o
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A meteor the size of a basketball has the power to wipe out a city block.... so a meteor the size of a bus could wipe out a city.
So like those tower things they are casually destroying are town wide skyscrapers that reach into the atmosphere >.> Thats why the Arcannar above 6 are not allowed to fight in Huecho Mundo because their power would destroy the place. Huecho Mundo is big enough to house as many souls of hollows that equally replace the population of the EARTH and Soul Society. That is a BASIC premise of the whole story about BLEACH. That is why the Quincy got wiped out and why they are pissed when they attack now. THe soul reapers wouldn't let the Quincies kill all the hollows because it would destroy the world because there has to be balance between the populations.
Not crazy, just retarded. Possibly because you watch too much Bleach.
Either way, I watched the entire scenes again, and yeah, not once did Grimmjow block Ichigo's sword with a finger. Either way though, what you're still insinuating is that the Byakuya is weaker than Grimmjow, which simply isn't true. Again, the entire series is PIS. Byakuya gets jacked by Zommari, but beats him, then goes on to dominate Yammy in both of his ressurection forms in the same day, with only Kenny's equivalent help? That's suggesting that Zommari is stronger than Stark. And in that respect, makes Grimmjow the second strongest espada, aside from Ulquiorra.
You're wrong.
Um, what? I don't know what you're smoking, but there is no such thing as a basketball sized meteor. Even if there was, it would make no kind of impact capable of destroying more than a little car, or something. A bus sized meteor wouldn't make anywhere near that large of an impact either. Read a book.
However, it makes no sense for you to point those falsities out in the first place. Neither Madara's, not Gremmy's meteors were moving as fast as natural ones. Madara's has feats though vastly more impressive, while Gremmy's is accurately calced to around mid-mountain sized.
*sigh* You Bleach-tards must have a competition going, huh? Are you trying to be the dumbest person on this site? Those pillars aren't much wider than Ichigo and Grimmjow themselves, genius. Not to mention all of LN isn't much larger than a mountain itself.
HM is supposed to be an endless expanse. SS is not even comparable in size. Not to mention Sokyoku hill, which is A HILL, is roughly a quarter to a third as tall as the freakin' senkaimon, which is larger than the entire seireitei collectively.
What, are you trying to say that the meteor was half the size of the soul society itself? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL , you know what, the worst part is that with the incoherent dribble you two were spewing, I can see that that WAS your argument here. You're just... wow, lol. The SS is incomparably larger than the Seireitei. The seireitei is were the shinigami live. The SS SURROUNDS it, and isn't covered by the senkaimon.
