First Hokage and Madara Uchiha vs Yamamoto and Chojiro

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Tsunade almost shattered it before he went fully perfect Susano'o. That, btw, was above a town level feat, considering Madara's partial Susano'o tanked two meteors. Renji can't perform a Kenny level meteor feat. Kenny can't perform a Madara level double meteor feat. It's that simple. Your logic is flawed.

Do you even have an idea what you're talking about?

Tsunade's speed is comparable to Raikage's. She was able to keep up with him. Who is faster than the fastest Bleach character that exists so far.

You make up so much bullshit....Can you show a single scan to back this up?

Originally posted by marwash22
you're a better man than me. I lost the will the argue this when the claim was made that Naruto characters are lightspeed. lulz, it took Naruto and Bee (two of the fastest characters in the series) a ridiculously long time to run a few thousand miles.

Yoruichi literally covers miles in one step. hilarious.

Don't take anything he says seriously unless he shows scans or some canon evidence

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Once he also said Inuyasha characters are light speed, lmfao

Don't take anything he says seriously unless he shows scans or some canon evidence

He has also has said that the vizards are stronger than yamamoto
And that hisagi is as strong as hitsuguya

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
She barely cracked it. That's something even a vice captain like Renji can do with his bankai.

Besides, her speed isn't even that impressive, neither does she have flight to keep up with Bleach characters

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-629-page-19.html

Madara's Susano'o withstood this. It didn't withstand Tsunade so well.

I don't give a **** about her speed, this is simply about Madara's durability, both with and without Susano'o.

That was an AoE which in terms of durability isn't as destructive as a concentrated attack. Like all of the people surrounded by Narutos Kamui Chakra survived that which is by no means an amazing amount of power spread out.

^ Uh...considering what actually happened on panel that would be a plus for Naruto's chakra cloak.

But that doesn't matter Madara's Perfect Susanoo took a mountain buster point blank and Hashirama is able to block a mountain busting attack. Still don't know how this wasn't recognized as spite in favor of the Naruto team. Two heavy hitters against a completely featless dude and a guy who can't dish out the power quick enough.

Originally posted by NemeBro
[B]http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-629-page-19.html

Madara's Susano'o withstood this. It didn't withstand Tsunade so well.

I don't give a **** about her speed, this is simply about Madara's durability, both with and without Susano'o.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm

Without any impressive speed feats, she's just vice captain level.

Heh. Vice Captains are pretty fragile things in comparison to Tsunade (remember when Ichigo one-shotted three of them with just bare hand?). She's got more versatility and power too.

Originally posted by Q99
Heh. Vice Captains are pretty fragile things in comparison to Tsunade (remember when Ichigo one-shotted three of them with just bare hand?). She's got more versatility and power too.

And the boobs n'stuf. Matsutitto is the only one that can compare to Titsnade.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Madara's susanoo never tanked any meteor because Onoki already made it light with his hax and blocked it.

Do you even have an idea what you're talking about?

......

You make up so much bullshit....Can you show a single scan to back this up?

1. You haven't read the series clearly, so don't say anything about making shit up.

Onoki made the FIRST meteor lighter. Not the second one, which is still a meteor+ feat, which is above any demonstration in all of Bleach. Something Tsunade was able to contend with. 👆

2. Prove what? That Tsunade is comparable to Raikage?

All the proof I need is right here. Madara compared the two, going as far as admitting her to be stronger, but slower than Raikage. She still saved the Raikage on multiple occasions in their fight though. Either way, Raikage, and therefor Tsunade, have/has feats that SHIT on anything shown in Bleach so far.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
That's a large AoE attack. And many fodders also survived that.

Without any impressive speed feats, she's just vice captain level.

And? Those fodders survived because of Naruto's chakra. Tsunade did so on her lonesome. Not to mention that the attack was VASTLY more impressive than anything shown in all of Bleach, and even Naruto at that point. It literally leveled that entire country. And almost destroyed an army of characters lieutenant level+.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
And? Those fodders survived because of Naruto's chakra. Tsunade did so on her lonesome. Not to mention that the attack was VASTLY more impressive than anything shown in all of Bleach, and even Naruto at that point. It literally leveled that entire country. And almost destroyed an army of characters lieutenant level+.

Ehhh >.> You do know that Soi Fon's Bankai is LITERALLY a tactical nuke right? >.>

YouTube video

And Kenpachi LITERALLY cut a meteor much larger than that size with one slice of his sword with NO effort at all >.> And that meteor was not the size of a country. It was like a town size as you can still see people standing under it. If it were a country you could not see people at all >.>

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Ehhh >.> You do know that Soi Fon's Bankai is LITERALLY a tactical nuke right? >.>

YouTube video

And Kenpachi LITERALLY cut a meteor much larger than that size with one slice of his sword with NO effort at all >.> And that meteor was not the size of a country. It was like a town size as you can still see people standing under it. If it were a country you could not see people at all >.>

Uh, what? Soi Fon's bankai didn't blow up Karakura town. Or even damage it that much. 👆

Uh, okay, then given those scans, I can prove that 1. The sereitei is town sized, as you can see Sokyoku hill being roughly a quarter the size of the barrier, meaning that the barrier, which is much larger than Seireitei itsef, is still only around large city sized, and 2. That Kenpachi being visible comparatively to the meteor proves that.

What? You saw people from miles away, not from close up. You should be able to tell, what with an entire set of forests AND a mountain range separating them from the battlefield itself.

And as you can see, the meteor LITERALLY covered the entire sky, from the POV of an entire ARMY. Not to mention that it made mountain ranges look like ants.

Oh, and not to mention, that they felt the collision from SEVERAL COUNTRIES AWAY, ENOUGH TO SHAKE THE BUILDING.

Not to mention that Tsunade broke through Madara's Susano'o, which WITHSTOOD that country level meteor.

Again, NO ONE IN ALL OF BLEACH, has feats that contend with that low-tier casual feat from Madara, someone who was even outclassed by weaklings like Sakura and Kakashi.

It did destroy a good amount of the town, it was a fake Karakura. I also said it was a tactical which is smaller 🙂

But she couldn't do that more than once >.> Kenpachi did it for fun >.> and yes there is a person visible attempting to hold it up and you can see the curvature of the rock bending enough that that is the edge 😐

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
It did destroy a good amount of the town, it was a fake Karakura. I also said it was a tactical which is smaller 🙂

But she couldn't do that more than once >.> Kenpachi did it for fun >.> and yes there is a person visible attempting to hold it up and you can see the curvature of the rock bending enough that that is the edge 😐

No it didn't. It didn't even affect the other captains. And tactical nukes are still mean for blowing up massive areas, like entire towns and cities.

Uh, he did it so he and everyone else didn't die. Not, "for fun". lol.

Um, you can see the curvature only because of the view you're given. You can also see the mountain range in full view. Are you saying that's not really a mountain range too? Just like you could see the entire meteor from just Kenny's POV.

Going by that logic, you're either saying Kenny is bigger than the empire state building, or the meteor is smaller than it. Pixel scaling doesn't work that way, pal.

👆

Soi-fon's Bankai is not a nuke.

Really I'm not sure what the argument here is. If PIS is off, Madara's Perfect Susano'o utterly eclipses Yamamoto's Bankai. Heat be damned, the Susano'o has flat out better feats. This is a point that can't be argued lol.

Taking the PIS out, Yamamoto tends to simply spam his much less powerful Shikai as he dismisses his opponents as brats. Even Aizen was not worth the Bankai in his eyes. Usually a good strategy but if the Kenpachi vs Kisame thread, made by the same OP, shows anything it is that chakra absorption works as Reiatsu absorption, meaning Madara can render the flames a non-issue. Straight up physical attacks aren't going to do much to Madara's Susano'o. The majority of Yamamoto's moveset is simply shut down by the moves Madara uses when he toys with people(and when he literally has no eyes). Yamamoto is stronger but Madara handled attacks from A and Tsunade just fine, to say nothing of the Bijuu attack he withstood. Flash step usually means Bleach characters are faster but the Flying Thunder God has better showings and the Bijuu bomb was calced to move at ludicrous speeds. There is nothing Yamamoto has that Madara does not have an answer in response.

And even if Yamamoto is slightly more powerful than Madara(and I don't think he is), Chojiro is such a non-factor in this fight that it is basically a two on one between the Shinobi and Yamamoto. He has no feats to his name except dying and losing to a Zanpakuto-less Ichigo.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
1. You haven't read the series clearly, so don't say anything about making shit up.

http://i22.mangapanda.com/naruto/561/naruto-2752551.jpg

Onoki made the FIRST meteor lighter. Not the second one, which is still a meteor+ feat

The second meteor only hit the first meteor, not Onoki directly so the impact was greatly reduced. Not to mention, the second meteor was not even powerful enough to shatter the lighter rock below it.

And its you who kept making shit up, saying Madara's susanoo tanked the meteor...which clearly implies you are the one who didnt read the series

meteor+ feat which is above any demonstration in all of Bleach. Something Tsunade was able to contend with. 👆

http://i30.mangapanda.com/naruto/561/naruto-2752553.jpg

http://narutobase.net/manga/mangas/Naruto/561%20-%20The%20Power%20in%20a%20Name/04-05.png

Seireitei is over 100 km in length, while Madara's meteor was only about 1km in diameter

Prove what? That Tsunade is comparable to Raikage?

Raikage, and therefor Tsunade, have/has feats that SHIT on anything shown in Bleach so far.

Try again

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
And? Those fodders survived because of Naruto's chakra. Tsunade did so on her lonesome. Not to mention that the attack was VASTLY more impressive than anything shown in all of Bleach, and even Naruto at that point. It literally leveled that entire country. And almost destroyed an army of characters lieutenant level+.

And don't tell me that you think fodders with Naruto's chakra are as strong as teh Juubi and can tank its blasts

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
That's a large AoE attack. And many fodders also survived that.

With the help of Naruto's chakra my dumb friend.

Without any impressive speed feats, she's just vice captain level.

She's physically stronger than any vice captain and also Yamamoto. 👆

Learn to read dumbass.

Originally posted by NemeBro
With the help of Naruto's chakra my dumb friend.

Stop bullshitting and get to the point

She's physically stronger than any vice captain and also Yamamoto. 👆

Learn to read dumbass.

concession accepted