First Hokage and Madara Uchiha vs Yamamoto and Chojiro

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Not to mention that Madara's AND Hashirama's destruction, durability, speed, AND strength feats ALL vastly outweigh anything shown in all of Bleach.

What Naruto characters do with physical attacks, Bleach character do with shockwaves from indirect attacks.

Show me a character in Naruto completely tanking a blow from an opponent that casually knocks down buildings with it's hand.

Early series Kenny was cutting buildings in half from miles away with casual swings of his sword. c'mon.

No one has made a case as to why Yama won't shunpo behind them and vaporize their heads with a single punch.

He's more or less right though.

I lol'd when you claimed Gin is stronger than anyone in Naruto.

Madara blocked a kick from Tsunade with his forearm. No damage.

She's physically stronger than Yamamoto. 👆

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Indeed. FTG has far better feats. As does Mabui's move.

Yeah the Bijuu are weaker than city block busting.

Neat. Too bad Wonderweiss didn't turn into ash until after he released the fire.

Well no since Madara can absorb chakra. And Yamamoto's flames as far as this thread is concerned lol.

Did you not see at least 70% of his body fade away after yama jii's twin bones attaxk

Genjutsu is the only x factor in this fight and yamm's team could lose

had it not been for the Edo body, Tsunade would have merc'd Madara with attacks that don't even come close to measuring up to Yammy's strength.

Yama is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yammy.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He's more or less right though.

I lol'd when you claimed Gin is stronger than anyone in Naruto.

Madara blocked a kick from Tsunade with his forearm. No damage.

She's physically stronger than Yamamoto. 👆

I dunno. Didn't Gin slice through half a city? Even at the start of the series we've seen Ichigo block that giant wailing on him with contemptuous ease, Bleach guys are pretty dang strong.

Originally posted by NemeBro
She's physically stronger than Yamamoto. 👆

Yamamoto vs Madara can go either way.

Hashirama will get roasted to a crisp if he fights Yama, but he'd easily beat Chojiro.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Tsunade is physically stronger than Yamamoto. 👆

Tell me more about how vice captains can punch with the force of a nuclear bomb.

Originally posted by marwash22
Please explain how FTG is better than Shunpo in combat situations.

you know what i meant.

wut? Wonderweiss got his body crumbled by Yama's twin bone punch. there was no fire.

Simple: It has better feats. FTG is able to cross the hundreds of miles from Konoha to the site of the battle instantly. We're talking going across entire countries in an instant. And the users of FTG, more specifically Tobirama since he is who Madara has pummeled into the ground, have reacted to fast moving things like the Bijuu Bombs.

Case in point, this is the last person who teleported behind Madara(normal mode anyway) and he didn't fair so hot.

The collective Bijuu are stronger than Yamamoto. Not saying Madara could physically overpower Yamamoto but he could certainly take the punches.

His body is broken into a lot of tiny pieces but it isn't turned to ash until Wonderweiss himself exploded.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Tell me more about how vice captains can punch with the force of a nuclear bomb.

Lolwut.

Originally posted by marwash22
lol.

What Naruto characters do with physical attacks, Bleach character do with shockwaves from indirect attacks.

Show me a character in Naruto completely tanking a blow from an opponent that casually knocks down buildings with it's hand.

Early series Kenny was cutting buildings in half from miles away with casual swings of his sword. c'mon.

No one has made a case as to why Yama won't shunpo behind them and vaporize their heads with a single punch.

1. You're high.

2. I can show you characters in Naruto tanking moon buster+ attacks. CASUALLY.

3. Early series Kenny cut a small building down that was right next to him. Not to mention that current Kenny's, and hands down the best feat in Bleach, is meteor level. Something Madara conjured two of with a gesture.

4. Yama won't do that because:
- Yama is nowhere near as fast as someone like Kakashi, who was able to cut lightning. Yama's best speed feat is getting beat up by Aizen, who's calced at mach 25.

- Yama, as well as everyone in all of Bleach, are so vastly weaker than Naruto characters, that mentioning it is redundant. Show me anyone in all of Bleach moon+ busting, then we'll talk. Better yet, show me anyone in all of Bleach doing more than meteor busting. Oh right. You can't. Because they can't. 👆

Not to mention that Yama would have already been caught in genjutsu by the time he was able to take a step.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Tell me more about how vice captains can punch with the force of a nuclear bomb.

Who in naruto punches with nuclear force

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Z8TUatpMo

😎

Originally posted by NemeBro
Tell me more about how vice captains can punch with the force of a nuclear bomb.

Nuclear bombs can destroy a city. Which no one before Pain can (for which even he needs an energy blast)

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Neither can Tsunade.

Nuclear bombs can destroy a city. Which no one before Pain can (for which even he needs an energy blast)

Originally posted by Trocity
I put him for the simple fact that generally Bleach is regarded as a stronger universe than Naruto, so I put the captain commander and his featless lieutenant against arguably the two strongest in Naruto.

You sell them short.

Naruto surpassed Bleach some time back.

Mind, these two aren't the two strongest. Naruto, Sasuke, Kaguya, and the Juubi-Jinchuuriki (which can include Madara but I don't think that's what was meant here. Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara simply absorbs the attack).

Originally posted by marwash22
no fire in Naruto is on Yama's level. Not even close.

Madara and Hashi are no immune to heat.

they die.

Perfect Susano'o. That blocks heat just fine, it blocks just about anything.

Also, a punch from Yama would explode his head. he's not healing anything. No one in Naruto has displayed the physical strength of Gin who was cutting buildings clean in half, and Yama absolutely dwarfs him in strength.

Might Gai was punching kilometers-deep holes in earth with his second strongest technique (and it's a rapid-fire technique). His third strongest made explosions larger than an island.

Sakura punches 50-meter across craters in the ground that take out giant monsters with proximity.

There's a lot of stuff beyond cutting buildings in half!

And, perfect susano'o. Cuts mountains in half.

Pym-ftw
how people argue manga characters aren't lightspeeders because anime lightning is slower...

Practically no one in manga, any manga, is a 'lightspeeder' because, one, they have countless feats showing them being hit or barely avoiding slower things, and two, defending against something fast does not require being as fast.

If a beam is headed at you from 100 feet, and you move your arm 1 foot to block it, your arm only has to go 1/100th as fast.

If you can sense something or get even the tiniest indication an attack's going to hit before it does, then that drops the required speed far further, dependent on how much warning. A normal human can block an actual laser if there's a little warning.

Pretty sure Gurren Lagann makes light look slow.

For an actual manga example, Sailor Moon certainly is faster than light.

I am not sure if Naruto passed Bleach like you surmise. A lot of the feats displayed are always misses which a seemingly alert, not dead person seems to always be able to avoid. I mean in all the fighting from obviously weaker characters only a very few main characters ever died. Through out Bleach there is a significant number of dead main characters who died to the abilities through attrition, being worn down and finished off by very powerful attacks that did not miss. Most attacks land in Bleach compared to the Naruto universe and the characters show their durability and reishi survivability by flinching or absorbing attacks. The later arcs of Bleach portray abilities far exceeding the destructive capabilities of previous feats which in the arcs it did show are city wide destructive. Through out the Arrancar arc every character present is able to destroy pillar structures with misses of their sword that exceed town/mountain sized levels of mass that reach into the sky. The Espada 5+ are incapable of increasing their abilities fully because they would destroy Huecho Mundo; a planet sized place. This is VERY clearly stated between Ichigo and Uliquarra during their final fight. Yamamoto was indeed surpassed by the time of his death by a few of the characters in attack power, but not experience which is his primary strength used in unison with absolute mastery of his ability. Madara and the 1st, regardless of what you say in terms of raw ability, when I think of this situation I think of pre-dead, are in their 30s? They fought against really only each-other in any real challenging way.

The feats of people in Naruto are also very limited. The attacks that you mention were all misses on their target as well as things they could do VERY few times which they state very clearly. The exhaustion of the characters of Naruto are made very clearly and repeatedly. A lot of this conjecture is based on the resurrection versions of Madara and the 1st but when we look at them alive they do not fight very long with each-other at all. And exhaustion is very clear. We have seen training bought in Bleach that last days in terms of continuous fighting.

^ So by your words alone you are kind of saying that most characters in Bleach are too slow to avoid stuff.Or their reflexes suck.

I mean from what I have read on Kenpachi (a guy everyone seems to love), he kind of just stands there.